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But the point is, isn't hallucinating about having malformed, altered or out of touch input rather than producing inaccurate output yourself? It is the memory

But the point is, isn't hallucinating about having malformed, altered or out of touch input rather than producing inaccurate output yourself? It is the memory pathways leading them astray. It could be thought of a memory system that at certain point any longer can't be fully sure if whatever connections they have are from actually being trained or it or created accidentally.

Terr_ 2y ago
> isn't hallucinating about having malformed, altered or out of touch input rather than producing inaccurate output yourself? I suppose so, in the sense that someone could simply be lying about pink elephants instead of seeing them. However it's hard to argue that the machine knows the "right" answer and is (intelligently?) deceiving us. > It is the memory pathways leading them astray. I don't think it's a "memory" issue as much as a "they don't operate the way we like to think they do" issue. Suppose a human is asked to describe different paintings on the wall of an art gallery. Sometimes their statements appear valid and you nod along, and sometimes the statements are so wrong that it alarms you, because "this person is hallucinating." Now consider how the entire situation is flipped by finding out one additional fact... They're actually totally blind. Is it a lie? Is it a hallucination? Does it matter? Either way you must dramatically re-evaluate what their "good" outputs really mean and whether they can be used.
- mewpmewp2 2y ago
  To me it's more like, imagine that you have read a lot of books throughout your life, but then someone comes in and asks a question from you and you try to answer from memory, but you get beaten when you say something like "I don't know", and you get rewarded if you answer accurately. You do get beaten if you answer inaccurately, but eventually you learn that if you just say something, you might just be accurate and you will not get beaten. So you just always learn to answer to the best of your knowledge, while never saying that you specifically don't know, because it decreases chances of getting beat up. You are not intentionally lying, you are just hoping that whatever you say is accurate to the best you can do according to the neural connections you've built up in your brain. Like you ask me for a birthdate of some obscure political figure from history? I'm going to try to feel out what period in history the name might feel like to me and just make my best guess based on that, then say some random year and a birthdate. It just has the lowest odds of being beaten. Was I hallucinating? No, I was just trying to not get beaten.

Terr_ 2y ago

> isn't hallucinating about having malformed, altered or out of touch input rather than producing inaccurate output yourself? I suppose so, in the sense that someone could simply be lying about pink elephants instead of seeing them. However it's hard to argue that the machine knows the "right" answer and is (intelligently?) deceiving us. > It is the memory pathways leading them astray. I don't think it's a "memory" issue as much as a "they don't operate the way we like to think they do" issue. Suppose a human is asked to describe different paintings on the wall of an art gallery. Sometimes their statements appear valid and you nod along, and sometimes the statements are so wrong that it alarms you, because "this person is hallucinating." Now consider how the entire situation is flipped by finding out one additional fact... They're actually totally blind. Is it a lie? Is it a hallucination? Does it matter? Either way you must dramatically re-evaluate what their "good" outputs really mean and whether they can be used.

mewpmewp2 2y ago
To me it's more like, imagine that you have read a lot of books throughout your life, but then someone comes in and asks a question from you and you try to answer from memory, but you get beaten when you say something like "I don't know", and you get rewarded if you answer accurately. You do get beaten if you answer inaccurately, but eventually you learn that if you just say something, you might just be accurate and you will not get beaten. So you just always learn to answer to the best of your knowledge, while never saying that you specifically don't know, because it decreases chances of getting beat up. You are not intentionally lying, you are just hoping that whatever you say is accurate to the best you can do according to the neural connections you've built up in your brain. Like you ask me for a birthdate of some obscure political figure from history? I'm going to try to feel out what period in history the name might feel like to me and just make my best guess based on that, then say some random year and a birthdate. It just has the lowest odds of being beaten. Was I hallucinating? No, I was just trying to not get beaten.