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As a vaccine refusenik I felt a great sense of relief when, after choosing not to have the jab, I realised I had made the correct decison. At nearly 70 years o

by reify 2y ago

As a vaccine refusenik I felt a great sense of relief when, after choosing not to have the jab, I realised I had made the correct decison. At nearly 70 years old I have had a life full of experience that told me something was serverely wrong with the roll out of the jab. The experimental drug, which is not a vaccine, meerly reduces the symptoms of so called covid. Stop calling it a vaccine! I have had all my childhood vaccines and have been protected from the entire range of diseases. I have also been a methadone dispenser, and drug worker working in detox wards in the national health service for 15 years and had my Hep "B" vaccine to protect me from needle stick injury. Now! the Hep "b" vaccines work like this: You have an injection once a month for three months. during this period you have blood tests to check the development of anti-bodies. After the three month period I had all the Anti-bodies needed to protect me from Hep "B". Now that is a proper vaccine! whereas you do not develop anti-bodies after you have the jab, you have to have an annual top up to protect you from the symptoms of flu. The COVID JAB IS NOT A VACCINE!!!! People seem to have forgotten that life is about making informed choices and being autonomous. We are not conspiracy therorists, refuseniks or anti-vaxers. We are ordinary people who made a choice not to have a jab.

pintxo 2y ago
So it’s no vaccine, by your standards, but isn’t it still useful when it reduces probabilities of infections and long term adverse effects? However the label you attach to it?
defrost 2y ago
Which specific COVID vaccine (of the many variations) do you consider to be "not a vaccine" ? FWiW the Pfizer BioNTech (BNT162b2) COVID-19 vaccine causes anti-bodies to form: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-022-28527-x https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-022-28527-x as do pretty much all the others. Which specific ones don't?
MattPalmer1086 2y ago
By this token, the flu vaccine is not a vaccine either. You have to have a new one each year and it doesn't confer 100% protection. It seems pointless to argue about the definition of the word vaccine though. Let's call them "shields" instead. The issue is whether the shield provides useful protection, not whether it is perfect. It's perfectly sensible to evaluate the risk of a given shield versus the protection it offers. I was happy to have it, others were nervous because this was a new form of shield which had not been tried before.
- illiac786 2y ago
  Well, as long as one evaluates the risk to oneself and to others, ok, but most people I met which were refusing vaccines (yes it’s a vaccine, they have different level of success, but they all train your body to fight a virus basically) only look at their own risk and do not give a shit about others – and then hide the egoism behind whataboutism, factually wrong statements, etc. It’s ok to be scared, but let’s at least be honest about it and not make fun of the ones who got the vaccine.
scrollop 2y ago
As a primary care physician (and previous ED doctor) I don't think I'm qualified to go deep into the details of the vaccines - I trust my many more specialised colleagues around the world who unanimously support the vaccines and the data coming out strengthens this. You saying that you are making an "informed choice" is, I'm sorry to say, laughable. Unless you are experienced in reading the many pubmed studies and interpreting them, you are likely basing your decisions on others' interpretations, and, I doubt you are reading the neutral interpretations. Anyone, it's your life, your health, and your death, as we saw many times throughout the ongoing pandemic. Ironically, the republican outlook to shit on vaccines leads to more deaths of republicans. And , then trump came out for vaccines. Not that you can trust anything that narcissist criminal says, and treat everything he says as in his own interest. Good luck with your choices!
gus_massa 2y ago
> I have had all my childhood vaccines and have been protected from the entire range of diseases. For tetanus (lockjaw) you need a booster every 10 years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetanus#Prevention https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetanus#Prevention The booster generally is combined with a booster of whooping cough https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whooping_cough#Vaccine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whooping_cough#Vaccine

by reify 2y ago

pintxo 2y ago

So it’s no vaccine, by your standards, but isn’t it still useful when it reduces probabilities of infections and long term adverse effects? However the label you attach to it?

defrost 2y ago

Which specific COVID vaccine (of the many variations) do you consider to be "not a vaccine" ? FWiW the Pfizer BioNTech (BNT162b2) COVID-19 vaccine causes anti-bodies to form: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-022-28527-x https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-022-28527-x as do pretty much all the others. Which specific ones don't?

MattPalmer1086 2y ago

By this token, the flu vaccine is not a vaccine either. You have to have a new one each year and it doesn't confer 100% protection. It seems pointless to argue about the definition of the word vaccine though. Let's call them "shields" instead. The issue is whether the shield provides useful protection, not whether it is perfect. It's perfectly sensible to evaluate the risk of a given shield versus the protection it offers. I was happy to have it, others were nervous because this was a new form of shield which had not been tried before.

illiac786 2y ago
Well, as long as one evaluates the risk to oneself and to others, ok, but most people I met which were refusing vaccines (yes it’s a vaccine, they have different level of success, but they all train your body to fight a virus basically) only look at their own risk and do not give a shit about others – and then hide the egoism behind whataboutism, factually wrong statements, etc. It’s ok to be scared, but let’s at least be honest about it and not make fun of the ones who got the vaccine.

scrollop 2y ago

As a primary care physician (and previous ED doctor) I don't think I'm qualified to go deep into the details of the vaccines - I trust my many more specialised colleagues around the world who unanimously support the vaccines and the data coming out strengthens this. You saying that you are making an "informed choice" is, I'm sorry to say, laughable. Unless you are experienced in reading the many pubmed studies and interpreting them, you are likely basing your decisions on others' interpretations, and, I doubt you are reading the neutral interpretations. Anyone, it's your life, your health, and your death, as we saw many times throughout the ongoing pandemic. Ironically, the republican outlook to shit on vaccines leads to more deaths of republicans. And , then trump came out for vaccines. Not that you can trust anything that narcissist criminal says, and treat everything he says as in his own interest. Good luck with your choices!

gus_massa 2y ago

> I have had all my childhood vaccines and have been protected from the entire range of diseases. For tetanus (lockjaw) you need a booster every 10 years. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetanus#Prevention https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetanus#Prevention The booster generally is combined with a booster of whooping cough https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whooping_cough#Vaccine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whooping_cough#Vaccine