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I have a better idea: not even once.

dyauspitr 2y ago
I’ll back you up but having done shrooms about a dozen times decades ago, you’re really missing out on a truly out of this world experience.
- jojobas 2y ago
  Betting your life to get a hallucination is not worth it even at 1:10000 odds. Guess what - you're missing out on a fentanyl high, so awesome that people sell all they have to get more!
  - nulld3v 2y ago
    Then you should never step in a vehicle again for the rest of your life, after all, the odds of the average American dying in a vehicle accident every year is 1 in 5000[1]. That doesn't take into account drivers/non-drivers, but I think it's reasonable to assume drivers are at higher risk than pedestrians considering pedestrians make up only a small portion of vehicle-related fatalities [2][3]. I do wonder what the actual odds are of getting injured by psilocybin though. [1] https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/planecrash/risky.html https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/planecrash/risky.html [2] https://www.ghsa.org/resources/Pedestrians23 https://www.ghsa.org/resources/Pedestrians23 [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_fatality_rate_in_U.S._by_year https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_fatality_rate_in...
    - jojobas 2y ago
      Where I live it's more palatable 1/22k/year, and a lot of that are thrill seekers on motorcycles, drunk drivers etc. More importantly, driving a car gets me where I want to be, not just triggers an unexpected condition bug in my brain.
      - nulld3v 2y ago
        There are just a lot of similar risks like these in life. Camp in the wrong place for example and you might lose the ability to eat red meat [1]. I think it's irresponsible to tell people to take this or that drug since we still don't have good numbers on the risks. But I also think telling people to completely abstain is dumb, and the government trying to enforce complete abstinence even more dumb. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/27/health/alpha-gal-ticks-meat-allergy.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/27/health/alpha-gal-ticks-me...
    - kordlessagain 2y ago
      This is a false equivalency. Evaluating risks to some individuals reaction based on incomparable research material is irrational and irrelevant. Consider, mathematically, there are infinities that are not the same as other infinities. Most people who are licensed to drive are unlikely to have a negative reaction from the act of driving for 2 hours under controlled conditions. The same can not be said (at all) about use of mind altering substances, given the mind cannot necessarily be controlled. Set and setting.
      - nulld3v 2y ago
        I don't think it's entirely incomparable. You can't control the other drivers on the road either. Also, you can control your own dose. I've never heard of anyone encountering any long term side effects from trying a single low dose of psilocybin. Especially since some studies show that very low doses aren't any different than placebo. Then again most people don't start with a very low dose and ramp up slowly because people are human and do dumb things.
  - sjm 2y ago
    Mushrooms have saved more people than they have harmed, I guarantee you. I believe you have a very warped or misguided understanding of what exactly psilocybin is and I'd encourage you to learn.
    - jojobas 2y ago
      Hofmann was a mistake, and so was Leary.
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I’ll back you up but having done shrooms about a dozen times decades ago, you’re really missing out on a truly out of this world experience.

jojobas 2y ago
Betting your life to get a hallucination is not worth it even at 1:10000 odds. Guess what - you're missing out on a fentanyl high, so awesome that people sell all they have to get more!
- nulld3v 2y ago
  Then you should never step in a vehicle again for the rest of your life, after all, the odds of the average American dying in a vehicle accident every year is 1 in 5000[1]. That doesn't take into account drivers/non-drivers, but I think it's reasonable to assume drivers are at higher risk than pedestrians considering pedestrians make up only a small portion of vehicle-related fatalities [2][3]. I do wonder what the actual odds are of getting injured by psilocybin though. [1] https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/planecrash/risky.html https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/planecrash/risky.html [2] https://www.ghsa.org/resources/Pedestrians23 https://www.ghsa.org/resources/Pedestrians23 [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_fatality_rate_in_U.S._by_year https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motor_vehicle_fatality_rate_in...
  - jojobas 2y ago
    Where I live it's more palatable 1/22k/year, and a lot of that are thrill seekers on motorcycles, drunk drivers etc. More importantly, driving a car gets me where I want to be, not just triggers an unexpected condition bug in my brain.
    - nulld3v 2y ago
      There are just a lot of similar risks like these in life. Camp in the wrong place for example and you might lose the ability to eat red meat [1]. I think it's irresponsible to tell people to take this or that drug since we still don't have good numbers on the risks. But I also think telling people to completely abstain is dumb, and the government trying to enforce complete abstinence even more dumb. [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/27/health/alpha-gal-ticks-meat-allergy.html https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/27/health/alpha-gal-ticks-me...
  - kordlessagain 2y ago
    This is a false equivalency. Evaluating risks to some individuals reaction based on incomparable research material is irrational and irrelevant. Consider, mathematically, there are infinities that are not the same as other infinities. Most people who are licensed to drive are unlikely to have a negative reaction from the act of driving for 2 hours under controlled conditions. The same can not be said (at all) about use of mind altering substances, given the mind cannot necessarily be controlled. Set and setting.
    - nulld3v 2y ago
      I don't think it's entirely incomparable. You can't control the other drivers on the road either. Also, you can control your own dose. I've never heard of anyone encountering any long term side effects from trying a single low dose of psilocybin. Especially since some studies show that very low doses aren't any different than placebo. Then again most people don't start with a very low dose and ramp up slowly because people are human and do dumb things.
- sjm 2y ago
  Mushrooms have saved more people than they have harmed, I guarantee you. I believe you have a very warped or misguided understanding of what exactly psilocybin is and I'd encourage you to learn.
  - jojobas 2y ago
    Hofmann was a mistake, and so was Leary.
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