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We're living in times where big companies create (unlawful) law systems (theoretically based on law _somewhere_) and force others to obey (you must agree to our
by p0w3n3d 2y ago
We're living in times where big companies create (unlawful) law systems (theoretically based on law _somewhere_) and force others to obey (you must agree to our terms), without giving possibility to appeal nor have their rights proven under the real court (because it would be for example too expensive, or because that "you have accepted our terms").
This was funny unless people jobs and lives started to rely on those big companies, and their _de facto_ monopoly (if your store vanishes from Google Maps your store will surely vanish in real life eventually)
- throwaway3306a 2y agoHow exactly is it unlawful? What law exactly says you have a right for appeal, or any rights to the company services at all? I don't want to say there isn't room for improvement. But I am not aware of any current law that would mean any of this is unlawful. I'd like to be proven wrong.
- a2128 2y agoEU's DMA recognizes the existence of gatekeepers and is supposed to make this kind of behavior unlawful and require allowing 3rd party app stores as an alternative
- linotype 2y agoNevermind.
- yjftsjthsd-h 2y agoDoes Apple allow iDOS3 in the EU?
- linotype 2y agoDoesn’t appear to be. They may not be in compliance with EU law. Companies should be allowed to police their own stores in jurisdictions where that’s allowed. I’m glad the App Store isn’t a mess like it is on my Android device. It’s one of the reasons my primary phone is an iPhone.
- tech234a 2y agoIt’s worth noting that the rejection cited rule 4.7, which only applies on Apple’s App Store and not for Notarization [1]. I would think that if the dev applied for EU distribution it would likely be accepted. By extension, Apple might then also accept it for the App Store to prevent third-party stores from having ‘exclusive apps’, as has happened with both Delta (and emulators in general) and UTM SE [2]. [1]: https://developer.apple.com/app-store/review/guidelines/#third-party-software https://developer.apple.com/app-store/review/guidelines/#thi... [2]: https://mastodon.social/@rileytestut/112791043604056224 https://mastodon.social/@rileytestut/112791043604056224
- throwaway3306a 2y agoThat is not nearly enough and has nothing to do with app stores.
- alanlammiman 2y agoThis specific issue is a central part of the US DOJ antitrust case against Apple, so there's a team of attorneys-general who think its unlawful.
- throwaway3306a 2y agoSo what about all the other services that aren't monopolies?
- p0w3n3d 2y ago> What law exactly says you have a right for appeal This is Roman Law foundation. I mean all fair legal systems have been founded on Roman Law, others are simply totalitarian
- throwaway3306a 2y agoTerms and conditions are not legal systems.
- blackeyeblitzar 2y agoWe have to recognize that companies above a certain amount of revenue or profit or users are as powerful as the government. Let’s not waste time debating their practices - their size is itself a problem. Once above some threshold they really should be governed like a public utility.
- ryandrake 2y agoThey're only requiring their customers/developers/partners to play by their rules, and so far, we still have the ability to choose not to be customers. Nobody's yet put a gun to my head and forced me to agree to a company's terms of service.
- alanlammiman 2y agoNo, they are publishing rules, citing those rules as published in court hearings regarding antitrust etc., and then covertly disregarding their own rules when it is convenient for them.