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I think the climate movement is going to fail soon. This mentality of find villans and blame and attack them instead of looking for productive solutions isn't

by vivekd 2y ago

I think the climate movement is going to fail soon. This mentality of find villans and blame and attack them instead of looking for productive solutions isn't sustainable for a movement. I don't know about the future of the climate but I think unfortunately the climate change issue, like so many pressing issues might be one we have to give up on until we make fundamental changes in our societies

Ekaros 2y ago
I do believe too that it is going to fail. Technology won't solve it. And people who got emissions now are not ready to do enough. And people who do not want the same things that people who do. Outside rather small segment of population not enough people are ready to either substantially lower their standards of living or not increase them.
- vivekd 2y ago
  This is where I disagree. I think techonology can solve it, and policy can also solve it. But I think the movement has been hijacked by people with other agendas that differ from solving climate change. And I think you can sort of glimpse it here - the agenda is not solving climate change, it's making the oil companies pay.
nmz 2y ago
The climate movement wasn't taken seriously 70 years ago, but as people see its effects more and more and the more you live and remember that you could actually walk outside without AC and not melt the more its strengthened. So I highly doubt what you say.
- vivekd 2y ago
  That's the other reason it's going to fail, the dishonesty. Frankly I don't remember the weather being that much different when I was a kid. And aside from my personal observations or views, the bigger issue is climate and weather are different things. It is scientific and backed by evidence to think that climate change is happeing and that the earth's climate is getting warmer. It is unscientific and not backed by evidence to think we can feel or experience that now in our current year at the level of weather. That doesn't mean that climate change isn't an important issue but there needs to be a serious change in the way it's presented to people, and I think a huge start is that things need to be led less by journalists and activists and politicans and more by climate scientists We've been claiming that we need to take action by 2030 or there will be disaster. And the movement is going to pay a high price in 6 years from now when we notice that the weather isn't much differet.
  - nmz 2y ago
    Record breaking heatwaves is not scientific or something anyone can feel? It's news to me that humans are incapable of feeling heat, weird considering I'm using 2 fans and am still sweating, when I didn't before. or british folk are having heatwaves that their infrastructure can't handle because they're used to colder weather... or that humans can't feel wind considering "Beryl was the earliest Category 5 Atlantic hurricane on record." [0]. Look, you wanna plug your ears then do so, I do so as well, but claiming that the weather wont be that much different is provably false and irrelevant when we're undergoing a massive extinction event that is urgent, just because we have time limits. doesn't diminish from the situation or undermine from its continued urgency. https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/news/global-climate-202406 https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/news/global-climate-202406

by vivekd 2y ago

Ekaros 2y ago

I do believe too that it is going to fail. Technology won't solve it. And people who got emissions now are not ready to do enough. And people who do not want the same things that people who do. Outside rather small segment of population not enough people are ready to either substantially lower their standards of living or not increase them.

vivekd 2y ago
This is where I disagree. I think techonology can solve it, and policy can also solve it. But I think the movement has been hijacked by people with other agendas that differ from solving climate change. And I think you can sort of glimpse it here - the agenda is not solving climate change, it's making the oil companies pay.

nmz 2y ago

The climate movement wasn't taken seriously 70 years ago, but as people see its effects more and more and the more you live and remember that you could actually walk outside without AC and not melt the more its strengthened. So I highly doubt what you say.

vivekd 2y ago
That's the other reason it's going to fail, the dishonesty. Frankly I don't remember the weather being that much different when I was a kid. And aside from my personal observations or views, the bigger issue is climate and weather are different things. It is scientific and backed by evidence to think that climate change is happeing and that the earth's climate is getting warmer. It is unscientific and not backed by evidence to think we can feel or experience that now in our current year at the level of weather. That doesn't mean that climate change isn't an important issue but there needs to be a serious change in the way it's presented to people, and I think a huge start is that things need to be led less by journalists and activists and politicans and more by climate scientists We've been claiming that we need to take action by 2030 or there will be disaster. And the movement is going to pay a high price in 6 years from now when we notice that the weather isn't much differet.
- nmz 2y ago
  Record breaking heatwaves is not scientific or something anyone can feel? It's news to me that humans are incapable of feeling heat, weird considering I'm using 2 fans and am still sweating, when I didn't before. or british folk are having heatwaves that their infrastructure can't handle because they're used to colder weather... or that humans can't feel wind considering "Beryl was the earliest Category 5 Atlantic hurricane on record." [0]. Look, you wanna plug your ears then do so, I do so as well, but claiming that the weather wont be that much different is provably false and irrelevant when we're undergoing a massive extinction event that is urgent, just because we have time limits. doesn't diminish from the situation or undermine from its continued urgency. https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/news/global-climate-202406 https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/news/global-climate-202406