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Cite sources as any Ive seen disagree with these points. Any history pre-new deal shows how incorrect this standing is. Also, taxes aren’t theft. It’s the cos

Cite sources as any Ive seen disagree with these points. Any history pre-new deal shows how incorrect this standing is. Also, taxes aren’t theft. It’s the cost of living in society and providing for societal, shared goods. “Streets are theft!! All roads should be toll roads!” Want a grand society…

thechao 2y ago
My favorite eye-roll was a random YT short of a power washer dude driving down an interstate in his behemoth diesel (his equipment could've fit in a large sedan), complaining that he only pays taxes to the gov't but gets no benefit from it, streaming the video over cellular.
- ryandrake 2y ago
  ...drinking clean water, breathing in clean air, on his way to buy safe, disease-free food from the supermarket...
  - hellojesus 2y ago
    All of this could just as well be created by the private sector.
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    - tetris11 2y ago
      Fiduciury duty, and the lack of a regulatory body to ensure some semblance of actual competition means that that private industry would likely not act in the interests of the public
      - hellojesus 2y ago
        The public only has an interest in public goods. And those are still provided by the state. Private goods should be influenced by private transactions, and competiton guides those to optimal market-based outcomes.
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        tetris11 2y ago
        You're advocating for the privatization of clean drinking water, breathable air, and disease-free food. Have you seen what has happened to the UK in the past 10 years? Do you still believe that privatization was a net benefit there? The only way to guarantee competition is to punish predatory practices of large companies against small ones, which means, surprise, regulation.
hellojesus 2y ago
> Also, taxes aren’t theft. It’s the cost of living in society and providing for societal, shared goods. “Streets are theft!! All roads should be toll roads!” Want a grand society… How is UBI a shared good? It definitionally takes from some to give to others. That is the opposite of a shared good. Taxes are theft when taxes are used for nonpublic goods. That means any good that is not both nonrivalous and nonexcludable. We tend to allow the bluring of nonpublic goods the more hyperlocal we get, since we can more accurately address needs. But such nonpublic goods are still funded via theft. What's wrong with paying for that which you use? It's a consumption based model, and I do believe it would lead to better economic and societal outcomes.
- jakelazaroff 2y ago
  > Taxes are theft when taxes are used for nonpublic goods. That means any good that is not both nonrivalous and nonexcludable. No one else here seems to share this axiom. I appreciate that it’s important to your worldview but it’s also why you and everyone else are arguing past each other.

thechao 2y ago

My favorite eye-roll was a random YT short of a power washer dude driving down an interstate in his behemoth diesel (his equipment could've fit in a large sedan), complaining that he only pays taxes to the gov't but gets no benefit from it, streaming the video over cellular.

ryandrake 2y ago
...drinking clean water, breathing in clean air, on his way to buy safe, disease-free food from the supermarket...
- hellojesus 2y ago
  All of this could just as well be created by the private sector.
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  - tetris11 2y ago
    Fiduciury duty, and the lack of a regulatory body to ensure some semblance of actual competition means that that private industry would likely not act in the interests of the public
    - hellojesus 2y ago
      The public only has an interest in public goods. And those are still provided by the state. Private goods should be influenced by private transactions, and competiton guides those to optimal market-based outcomes.
      - deleted 2y ago
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      - tetris11 2y ago
        You're advocating for the privatization of clean drinking water, breathable air, and disease-free food. Have you seen what has happened to the UK in the past 10 years? Do you still believe that privatization was a net benefit there? The only way to guarantee competition is to punish predatory practices of large companies against small ones, which means, surprise, regulation.

hellojesus 2y ago

> Also, taxes aren’t theft. It’s the cost of living in society and providing for societal, shared goods. “Streets are theft!! All roads should be toll roads!” Want a grand society… How is UBI a shared good? It definitionally takes from some to give to others. That is the opposite of a shared good. Taxes are theft when taxes are used for nonpublic goods. That means any good that is not both nonrivalous and nonexcludable. We tend to allow the bluring of nonpublic goods the more hyperlocal we get, since we can more accurately address needs. But such nonpublic goods are still funded via theft. What's wrong with paying for that which you use? It's a consumption based model, and I do believe it would lead to better economic and societal outcomes.

jakelazaroff 2y ago
> Taxes are theft when taxes are used for nonpublic goods. That means any good that is not both nonrivalous and nonexcludable. No one else here seems to share this axiom. I appreciate that it’s important to your worldview but it’s also why you and everyone else are arguing past each other.