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Show HN: I graded HN on a11y wall of shame

8 points by Infolektuell 2y ago

There's a strong correlation between accessible content and machine-readable content, so a11y should also be on-topic for hacking. Many large tech companies treat a11y as a legal obligation. Many disabled people have enough of being viewed and talked about as a legal burden that has to be resolved. If you want to see more apps or websites being graded, please submit suggestions via feedback form or HN comments.

latexr 2y ago
Website is hard to read on mobile. There is a large column on the left for very little information (the service name), then the details are squashed at no more than a couple of words per line. Zooming in makes the grade emoji disappear.
- Infolektuell 2y ago
  Thanks, tested primarily on Desktop, have to do more mobile testing. ;-) Maybe this will be graded itself after a while. Generally, I want to reach a very compact presentation of relevant information instead of writing more long essays to accomodate the attention problems of these days.
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pestatije 2y ago
a11y - accessibility
jcmp 2y ago
i built once an free viz tool for accessbility problems and yeah HN is not great, see for example this thread: https://allyviz.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fnews.ycombinator.com%2Fitem%3Fid%3D40983994 https://allyviz.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fnews.ycombinator.com%...
- Infolektuell 2y ago
  Right, not great, but really not the worst candidate. ;-) Such validator tools can provide a quick overview, but they have an efficiency problem. It is more efficient for devs to think about a11y in terms of workflows instead of a large ruleset that has to be fulfilled perfectly. Automated validators are not aware of the intended workflows in the app or website and thus cannot identify the critical parts. It's not about being perfect, but it's about how easy we can get the workflows done. Fixing the critical problems first and making progress step by step should be a good strategy. Validator tools tend to complain e.g. about every missing alt tag on images. Many devs think they have to invent a label for every image to make the validator happy. Most images on the web could simply get an empty alt attribute which hides them from screen readers, because their content is not critical. If the image is the only content of a link or button, it might convey critical information for the workflow and needs meaningful alt text.
xkgask 2y ago
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8 points by Infolektuell 2y ago

latexr 2y ago

Website is hard to read on mobile. There is a large column on the left for very little information (the service name), then the details are squashed at no more than a couple of words per line. Zooming in makes the grade emoji disappear.

Infolektuell 2y ago
Thanks, tested primarily on Desktop, have to do more mobile testing. ;-) Maybe this will be graded itself after a while. Generally, I want to reach a very compact presentation of relevant information instead of writing more long essays to accomodate the attention problems of these days.

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pestatije 2y ago

a11y - accessibility

jcmp 2y ago

i built once an free viz tool for accessbility problems and yeah HN is not great, see for example this thread: https://allyviz.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fnews.ycombinator.com%2Fitem%3Fid%3D40983994 https://allyviz.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fnews.ycombinator.com%...

Infolektuell 2y ago
Right, not great, but really not the worst candidate. ;-) Such validator tools can provide a quick overview, but they have an efficiency problem. It is more efficient for devs to think about a11y in terms of workflows instead of a large ruleset that has to be fulfilled perfectly. Automated validators are not aware of the intended workflows in the app or website and thus cannot identify the critical parts. It's not about being perfect, but it's about how easy we can get the workflows done. Fixing the critical problems first and making progress step by step should be a good strategy. Validator tools tend to complain e.g. about every missing alt tag on images. Many devs think they have to invent a label for every image to make the validator happy. Most images on the web could simply get an empty alt attribute which hides them from screen readers, because their content is not critical. If the image is the only content of a link or button, it might convey critical information for the workflow and needs meaningful alt text.

xkgask 2y ago

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