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Maybe there's more to having values than competitive advantage. Just a thought.

by hkt 2y ago

selectnull 2y ago
What values? Those that say that a company should strive to achive certain ratio of black and white employees, no matter their real competencies?
- ImHereToVote 2y ago
  For the neoliberal mind, values are just vibes.
- locopati 2y ago
  to say that a company should be aware of brospeak in their job postings if they want to have women applying for jobs. to say that a company shouldn't just rely on internal referrals if they want to diversify teams. your suggestion that diverse hiring equals less competent hiring is offensive.
  - inglor_cz 2y ago
    "your suggestion that diverse hiring equals less competent hiring is offensive." Well, so was suggestion that the Earth revolves around the Sun, once. What really interests me is if it is true, not if it is offensive. Truth > Conformism, at least if you don't want to end up with an ossified society.
    - locopati 2y ago
      where are your facts to back this up then?
      - selectnull 2y ago
        Facts to back what up, exactly? GP said two statements: 1) the Earth revolves around the Sun and 2) Truth > Conformism You are asking to facts about that?
- therouwboat 2y ago
  I guess the idea is that average black worker is just as good as white worker, so why do you have 3 black workers and 50 white workers? From what I have seen at work, gender or color of the skin has very little to do with how good worker someone is.
  - selectnull 2y ago
    I agree with you that gender or color of the skin has nothing to do with how well can someone write code. Both gender nor skin color should not be any factor in hiring.
  - f6v 2y ago
    > so why do you have 3 black workers and 50 white workers? Because race has correlation with low-income communities that prevent people from going to colleges. The pool of competent black employees will just be smaller. I’d argue that’s a state problem, not for a company to solve. It’s like a DEI recruiter wanted to have 50-50 men and women in software development at a company I worked for. I asked if there’re 50-50 of men and women in the total jobseeker pool. The answer was no(fewer women), but the person was determined to play a zero-sum game with other companies. It’s insane.
nox101 2y ago
Any maybe the types of DEI initiatives promoted and implemented over the last few are worse for actually achieving DEI. Just a thought
inglor_cz 2y ago
The Amish have a very strong set of values, but don't expect the next Google to come from them. And I don't think that Microsoft or anyone else held DEI values deeply anyway. Corporations being the ultimate turncoats, they just did what was demanded of them in the heat of the moment. If, in 2040, there comes a strong wave of people identifying as pineapples, expect all the CEOs to wear pineapple suits for one summer or so. Except Musk, he will don a potato suit on purpose and move the HQ to Martian Sands.

Maybe there's more to having values than competitive advantage. Just a thought.

by hkt 2y ago

Maybe there's more to having values than competitive advantage. Just a thought.

What values? Those that say that a company should strive to achive certain ratio of black and white employees, no matter their real competencies?

ImHereToVote 2y ago
For the neoliberal mind, values are just vibes.
locopati 2y ago
to say that a company should be aware of brospeak in their job postings if they want to have women applying for jobs. to say that a company shouldn't just rely on internal referrals if they want to diversify teams. your suggestion that diverse hiring equals less competent hiring is offensive.
- inglor_cz 2y ago
  "your suggestion that diverse hiring equals less competent hiring is offensive." Well, so was suggestion that the Earth revolves around the Sun, once. What really interests me is if it is true, not if it is offensive. Truth > Conformism, at least if you don't want to end up with an ossified society.
  - locopati 2y ago
    where are your facts to back this up then?
    - selectnull 2y ago
      Facts to back what up, exactly? GP said two statements: 1) the Earth revolves around the Sun and 2) Truth > Conformism You are asking to facts about that?
therouwboat 2y ago
I guess the idea is that average black worker is just as good as white worker, so why do you have 3 black workers and 50 white workers? From what I have seen at work, gender or color of the skin has very little to do with how good worker someone is.
- selectnull 2y ago
  I agree with you that gender or color of the skin has nothing to do with how well can someone write code. Both gender nor skin color should not be any factor in hiring.
- f6v 2y ago
  > so why do you have 3 black workers and 50 white workers? Because race has correlation with low-income communities that prevent people from going to colleges. The pool of competent black employees will just be smaller. I’d argue that’s a state problem, not for a company to solve. It’s like a DEI recruiter wanted to have 50-50 men and women in software development at a company I worked for. I asked if there’re 50-50 of men and women in the total jobseeker pool. The answer was no(fewer women), but the person was determined to play a zero-sum game with other companies. It’s insane.

nox101 2y ago

Any maybe the types of DEI initiatives promoted and implemented over the last few are worse for actually achieving DEI. Just a thought

inglor_cz 2y ago

The Amish have a very strong set of values, but don't expect the next Google to come from them. And I don't think that Microsoft or anyone else held DEI values deeply anyway. Corporations being the ultimate turncoats, they just did what was demanded of them in the heat of the moment. If, in 2040, there comes a strong wave of people identifying as pineapples, expect all the CEOs to wear pineapple suits for one summer or so. Except Musk, he will don a potato suit on purpose and move the HQ to Martian Sands.