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I, just like the blog author, disable remote images in emails. So I wouldn't get the "intended experience" anyway. Actually, does anyone besides Outlook users g

by whyoh 2y ago

I, just like the blog author, disable remote images in emails. So I wouldn't get the "intended experience" anyway. Actually, does anyone besides Outlook users get the intended experience here? Second, "reactions" are not part of the email culture or the standard email specs. It's unexpected and awkward. So it's not being "anti-reaction" in general, it's being against some feature that only works in MS email apps, which then pops up in broken form elsewhere.

signal11 2y ago
I wonder if Gmail and Outlook interop on Emoji Reactions. Gmail launched the feature in 2023[1]. I’ve personally not used the feature but emojis shouldn’t be images — they are after all Unicode code points. Not sure why MS’s implementation uses images at all. [1] https://blog.google/products/gmail/gmail-emoji-reactions/ https://blog.google/products/gmail/gmail-emoji-reactions/
dylan604 2y ago
> Second, "reactions" are not part of the email culture or the standard email specs. It's unexpected and awkward. Another old dog refusing to learn a new trick. If you want to talk about not part of email culture, let's not forget images weren't part of the original. So people got over that. They embraced it just like they embraced HTML emails and everything else. You can stand in the middle of the stream, but it's just going to go right on by you
- SoftTalker 2y ago
  Not everyone embraced it. I still use a plain-text email client.
  - g15jv2dp 2y ago
    In case you haven't realized, you're the odd one out, today, in 2024. I don't mean this in a negative way - I just mean that you're out of what's usual.
    - JohnFen 2y ago
      I always wonder about these "you're in the minority" responses. Why is that an important point? Also, pretty much everybody on HN is "in the minority". We're a pretty narrow demographic compared to the general population.
      - dylan604 2y ago
        Sometimes, in the echo chambers on the interwebs, some people might not actually realize they are the minority
        JohnFen 2y ago
        Of course, but very often that's irrelevant. If someone is expressing their opinion about something, it doesn't matter at all whether or not that opinion is in the minority. It's still their opinion and as such, is as valid as any other opinion. To reply to someone expressing their opinion with "but you're in the minority" is just a way of saying "but what you think is meaningless". Which is both overly dismissive and untrue. If someone is saying "I think this, and therefore everyone thinks this", then how common their opinion is becomes relevant.
      - g15jv2dp 2y ago
        It's an important point when the discussion revolves around "reactions aren't part of email culture" etc. Sorry for the "power users" but... email culture includes HTML, reactions and so on, today, in 2024. And part of what irritates me shows up in your answer. This feeling of superiority of being in the "in-group" that seeps out.
    - nocman 2y ago
      Do you genuinely think the GP needs you to point that out to them? I can't think of a single person I know that uses a text-only email client (and yes, I know more than one of them) who isn't what you'd call a "power user". All of them know that most people don't use a plain-text email client, they just prefer to use one themselves.
  - imp0cat 2y ago
    Emacs?
    - SoftTalker 2y ago
      Yes.
      - imp0cat 2y ago
        Though so. I do, too. high five ;)
- BeefWellington 2y ago
  This isn't really that though. The context here is in how hot-garbage the feature is for people not using Outlook. If the experience for all users was simply a thumbs up appearing in the subject line on sent emails, maybe I'd see the point you're trying to make. Instead, it's generating a complete email that occupies the same workflow as other actually important information. If you think a thumbs up response to an e-mail carries the same importance as a written message being directly sent to the user, you are the person who is clearly in the minority.
  - dylan604 2y ago
    > If you think a thumbs up response to an e-mail carries the same importance as a written message being directly sent to the user, you are the person who is clearly in the minority. oh, i'm in the minority alright but for totally different reasons than the incorrect nonsense you've just spouted. i think email is totally broken/useless at this point. to me, anyone still using email for personal communications is an ancient curmudgeon stuck in ways and unwilling to adapt to modern times. maybe corporate emails where it is only used for work purposes can remain some what clean. for personal email where everyone decided that it is okay to spam into oblivion any and every email address you've collected or bought with sales/promos/coupons/attention seeking/pr releases/etc without asking, email is ruined
Mashimo 2y ago
Reactions was also not part of the chat culture a decade back. At least I don't remember anything similar in IRC or ICQ.
jonathantf2 2y ago
Most corporate users are Outlook users - looking at the stats for some of our customers, most of their messages go straight back to Exchange instead of any other e-mail host

by whyoh 2y ago

signal11 2y ago

I wonder if Gmail and Outlook interop on Emoji Reactions. Gmail launched the feature in 2023[1]. I’ve personally not used the feature but emojis shouldn’t be images — they are after all Unicode code points. Not sure why MS’s implementation uses images at all. [1] https://blog.google/products/gmail/gmail-emoji-reactions/ https://blog.google/products/gmail/gmail-emoji-reactions/

dylan604 2y ago

> Second, "reactions" are not part of the email culture or the standard email specs. It's unexpected and awkward. Another old dog refusing to learn a new trick. If you want to talk about not part of email culture, let's not forget images weren't part of the original. So people got over that. They embraced it just like they embraced HTML emails and everything else. You can stand in the middle of the stream, but it's just going to go right on by you

SoftTalker 2y ago
Not everyone embraced it. I still use a plain-text email client.
- g15jv2dp 2y ago
  In case you haven't realized, you're the odd one out, today, in 2024. I don't mean this in a negative way - I just mean that you're out of what's usual.
  - JohnFen 2y ago
    I always wonder about these "you're in the minority" responses. Why is that an important point? Also, pretty much everybody on HN is "in the minority". We're a pretty narrow demographic compared to the general population.
    - dylan604 2y ago
      Sometimes, in the echo chambers on the interwebs, some people might not actually realize they are the minority
      - JohnFen 2y ago
        Of course, but very often that's irrelevant. If someone is expressing their opinion about something, it doesn't matter at all whether or not that opinion is in the minority. It's still their opinion and as such, is as valid as any other opinion. To reply to someone expressing their opinion with "but you're in the minority" is just a way of saying "but what you think is meaningless". Which is both overly dismissive and untrue. If someone is saying "I think this, and therefore everyone thinks this", then how common their opinion is becomes relevant.
    - g15jv2dp 2y ago
      It's an important point when the discussion revolves around "reactions aren't part of email culture" etc. Sorry for the "power users" but... email culture includes HTML, reactions and so on, today, in 2024. And part of what irritates me shows up in your answer. This feeling of superiority of being in the "in-group" that seeps out.
  - nocman 2y ago
    Do you genuinely think the GP needs you to point that out to them? I can't think of a single person I know that uses a text-only email client (and yes, I know more than one of them) who isn't what you'd call a "power user". All of them know that most people don't use a plain-text email client, they just prefer to use one themselves.
- imp0cat 2y ago
  Emacs?
  - SoftTalker 2y ago
    Yes.
    - imp0cat 2y ago
      Though so. I do, too. high five ;)
BeefWellington 2y ago
This isn't really that though. The context here is in how hot-garbage the feature is for people not using Outlook. If the experience for all users was simply a thumbs up appearing in the subject line on sent emails, maybe I'd see the point you're trying to make. Instead, it's generating a complete email that occupies the same workflow as other actually important information. If you think a thumbs up response to an e-mail carries the same importance as a written message being directly sent to the user, you are the person who is clearly in the minority.
- dylan604 2y ago
  > If you think a thumbs up response to an e-mail carries the same importance as a written message being directly sent to the user, you are the person who is clearly in the minority. oh, i'm in the minority alright but for totally different reasons than the incorrect nonsense you've just spouted. i think email is totally broken/useless at this point. to me, anyone still using email for personal communications is an ancient curmudgeon stuck in ways and unwilling to adapt to modern times. maybe corporate emails where it is only used for work purposes can remain some what clean. for personal email where everyone decided that it is okay to spam into oblivion any and every email address you've collected or bought with sales/promos/coupons/attention seeking/pr releases/etc without asking, email is ruined

Mashimo 2y ago

Reactions was also not part of the chat culture a decade back. At least I don't remember anything similar in IRC or ICQ.

jonathantf2 2y ago

Most corporate users are Outlook users - looking at the stats for some of our customers, most of their messages go straight back to Exchange instead of any other e-mail host