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It should be entirely socially acceptable to respond to any trivial message with "ACKNOWLEDGED" á la Picard

by utensil4778 2y ago

TeMPOraL 2y ago
I agree. Also, if the message proposes any action, it should be appropriate to reply with "Make it so.".
- xenophonf 2y ago
  BRB hacking "Engage!" into https://github.com/marketplace/actions/manual-workflow-approval https://github.com/marketplace/actions/manual-workflow-appro...
- freitasm 2y ago
  What is wrong with "Roger" and "Wilco"? These are shorter. And remind me of the voice chat program Roger Wilco too.
  - OJFord 2y ago
    Well 'ack' is even shorter, and the common form of 'ACKNOWLEDGED' for such use. I've seen & used both ack & wilco in a technical/software chat context.
    - tczMUFlmoNk 2y ago
      I use this, though I find that many folks, including many technical folks, interpret it as an exclamation of distaste (as in, "agh! ach! ack!"), so it may pay to be judicious.
      - OJFord 2y ago
        Oh interesting, I have come across that, but only one person (both uses it like that and misinterpreted it when we worked with people that ack'd, which of course I saw coming & could explain since I was accustomed to his use) - didn't realise that was common too. (I would use agh/argh/ugh for that personally, depending on precise feeling(!))
        fwip 2y ago
        Cathy (from newspaper funny pages) would frequently use "ACK!" as an exclamation of distress/frustration.
        EvanAnderson 2y ago
        This must be why my wife asks if I'm okay (or if I saw a spider, etc) when I reply to her text messages with "ACK".
  - TeMPOraL 2y ago
    Nothing. "Make it so." isn't "I'll make it so" (aka. wilco) - it's "you make it so". "I agree with your idea, so you go make it happen".
  - Gormo 2y ago
    Or space janitors.
f33d5173 2y ago
Networking software engineers just say "ack".
rtpg 2y ago
Well that's what the reactions are for, right? Because then we have this sort of division between acks (and other reactions really) vs "actual messages". Combine that with specific emojis in certain social/professional circles and you've got yourself an extra layer of nuance in an otherwise tricky-to-navigate space!
SoftTalker 2y ago
Why do you need to respond at all? The phone tells you that the message has been delivered, and if you didn't ask a question or otherwise request a response why would there be any obligation to do so?
- hunter2_ 2y ago
  A delivery receipt, an automatic read receipt, and a human ack are quite distinct. The first means the device will offer it to a user who eventually looks. The second means the device expects that the user saw it. The third means the user definitely saw and understood it. It's rarely obligatory (unless the sender literally requests an ack) but is more to offer a data point just in case it happens to be useful. In some cases it will definitely be useful, like to unblock something that can't proceed until the sender knows you've been briefed. For example, if I tell my kids they can stay out later than 10pm any night if I know about it, then even if they message me saying they'll be out late tonight, actually staying out late is blocked by my ack. Of course, this could just be turned into a yes/no question awaiting my answer, but that would be silly considering that I only say yes; they're not soliciting a decision from me, just acknowledgement.
  - krisoft 2y ago
    > For example, if I tell my kids they can stay out later than 10pm any night if I know about it, then even if they message me saying they'll be out late tonight, actually staying out late is blocked by my ack. Do you have an integration test for that in CI? That protocol sounds like the kind of thing which can break easily. If I as a kid would hear that instruction "can stay out later than 10pm any night if parent knows about it" I would assume notification is necessary, but I would not return home early just because my parent did not ack it. And if my parents complained about that I would find them unreasonable. Of course with your kids you might have been much more explicit about what you expect from them. Or who knows, maybe you are much more predictable in your response times than my parents were, so your kids might worry about you and call you if you don't respond anything.
    - hunter2_ 2y ago

It should be entirely socially acceptable to respond to any trivial message with "ACKNOWLEDGED" á la Picard

TeMPOraL 2y ago

I agree. Also, if the message proposes any action, it should be appropriate to reply with "Make it so.".

xenophonf 2y ago
BRB hacking "Engage!" into https://github.com/marketplace/actions/manual-workflow-approval https://github.com/marketplace/actions/manual-workflow-appro...
freitasm 2y ago
What is wrong with "Roger" and "Wilco"? These are shorter. And remind me of the voice chat program Roger Wilco too.
- OJFord 2y ago
  Well 'ack' is even shorter, and the common form of 'ACKNOWLEDGED' for such use. I've seen & used both ack & wilco in a technical/software chat context.
  - tczMUFlmoNk 2y ago
    I use this, though I find that many folks, including many technical folks, interpret it as an exclamation of distaste (as in, "agh! ach! ack!"), so it may pay to be judicious.
    - OJFord 2y ago
      Oh interesting, I have come across that, but only one person (both uses it like that and misinterpreted it when we worked with people that ack'd, which of course I saw coming & could explain since I was accustomed to his use) - didn't realise that was common too. (I would use agh/argh/ugh for that personally, depending on precise feeling(!))
      - fwip 2y ago
        Cathy (from newspaper funny pages) would frequently use "ACK!" as an exclamation of distress/frustration.
        EvanAnderson 2y ago
        This must be why my wife asks if I'm okay (or if I saw a spider, etc) when I reply to her text messages with "ACK".
- TeMPOraL 2y ago
  Nothing. "Make it so." isn't "I'll make it so" (aka. wilco) - it's "you make it so". "I agree with your idea, so you go make it happen".
- Gormo 2y ago
  Or space janitors.

f33d5173 2y ago

Networking software engineers just say "ack".

rtpg 2y ago

Well that's what the reactions are for, right? Because then we have this sort of division between acks (and other reactions really) vs "actual messages". Combine that with specific emojis in certain social/professional circles and you've got yourself an extra layer of nuance in an otherwise tricky-to-navigate space!

SoftTalker 2y ago

Why do you need to respond at all? The phone tells you that the message has been delivered, and if you didn't ask a question or otherwise request a response why would there be any obligation to do so?

hunter2_ 2y ago
A delivery receipt, an automatic read receipt, and a human ack are quite distinct. The first means the device will offer it to a user who eventually looks. The second means the device expects that the user saw it. The third means the user definitely saw and understood it. It's rarely obligatory (unless the sender literally requests an ack) but is more to offer a data point just in case it happens to be useful. In some cases it will definitely be useful, like to unblock something that can't proceed until the sender knows you've been briefed. For example, if I tell my kids they can stay out later than 10pm any night if I know about it, then even if they message me saying they'll be out late tonight, actually staying out late is blocked by my ack. Of course, this could just be turned into a yes/no question awaiting my answer, but that would be silly considering that I only say yes; they're not soliciting a decision from me, just acknowledgement.
- krisoft 2y ago
  > For example, if I tell my kids they can stay out later than 10pm any night if I know about it, then even if they message me saying they'll be out late tonight, actually staying out late is blocked by my ack. Do you have an integration test for that in CI? That protocol sounds like the kind of thing which can break easily. If I as a kid would hear that instruction "can stay out later than 10pm any night if parent knows about it" I would assume notification is necessary, but I would not return home early just because my parent did not ack it. And if my parents complained about that I would find them unreasonable. Of course with your kids you might have been much more explicit about what you expect from them. Or who knows, maybe you are much more predictable in your response times than my parents were, so your kids might worry about you and call you if you don't respond anything.
  - hunter2_ 2y ago