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ctrl+f whispernet 0 results found He's forgetting about the cost of delivering over a cell phone network.

by xxpor 14y ago

pilom 14y ago
Over a cell phone network a user would pay about $0.27 to download a 18MB file. There is no way an author should have to pay an order of magnitude more.
- xxpor 14y ago
  What if you have a US kindle in say, the deserts of Australia? It's going to cost a LOT more than $.27. I mean a LOT.
  - damian2000 14y ago
    Wrong - most deserts of Australia don't have any 3G access. But anywhere in Australia with 3G access (i.e. populated areas) all have the same data tariff, which is comparable to the US price.
    - xxpor 14y ago
      >But anywhere in Australia with 3G access (i.e. populated areas) all have the same data tariff, which is comparable to the US price How do you know the details of AT&T's roaming agreements with Australian carriers? I know you don't, because your statement is 1000% incorrect.
      - takluyver 14y ago
        I would assume Amazon can negotiate with local carriers in each region, rather than paying through a US carrier for data sent to Australia.
        xxpor 14y ago
        That would require a magical sim swap while the kindle is in transit.
    - apapli 14y ago
      Where did you read that? On my reading of the terms (and being an AU resident) I'm pretty sure whisper net doesn't exist in Australia. Which would also suggest you don't get charged a delivery fee to AU customers..? https://kdp.amazon.com/self-publishing/help?topicId=A29FL26OKE7R7B https://kdp.amazon.com/self-publishing/help?topicId=A29FL26O...
freerobby 14y ago
If you actually read the article you'll see that he addresses this and that it applies to wifi purchases.
- xxpor 14y ago
  But there's no difference from amazon's perspective, because once you bought the book, you can download it over 3g at any time, multiple times.
  - freerobby 14y ago
    There is no way that the average purchase costs $2.50+ to deliver, even amortized over the lifetime of the book. Amazon can charge whatever they want; I just think they should be transparent about what people's net pay will be. It's disingenuous to advertise that you take a 30% cut plus "delivery costs," and then mark up the "delivery costs" to over 25% of the average book price. Apple uses a similar paradigm (processing fees do not come from their 30%), but they only deduct the actual processing fees.
    - bemmu 14y ago
      Maybe kindles are manufactured at a loss and these delivery fees are then part of the device cost?
      - takluyver 14y ago
        But that's not a "delivery fee", which makes it kind of dishonest. Amazon already take a fixed 30% cut, which ought to include any subsidy on the devices.
    - guan 14y ago
      What does Apple typically charge in processing fees on top of their 30%? I’ve tried to find some information on this, and every source I’ve found says they only charge the 30%.
      - 14y ago
tehayj 14y ago
3g charges can be pretty hefty...
guelo 14y ago
Looks like your ctrl+f isn't working.

ctrl+f whispernet 0 results found He's forgetting about the cost of delivering over a cell phone network.

by xxpor 14y ago

ctrl+f whispernet 0 results found He's forgetting about the cost of delivering over a cell phone network.

pilom 14y ago

Over a cell phone network a user would pay about $0.27 to download a 18MB file. There is no way an author should have to pay an order of magnitude more.

xxpor 14y ago
What if you have a US kindle in say, the deserts of Australia? It's going to cost a LOT more than $.27. I mean a LOT.
- damian2000 14y ago
  Wrong - most deserts of Australia don't have any 3G access. But anywhere in Australia with 3G access (i.e. populated areas) all have the same data tariff, which is comparable to the US price.
  - xxpor 14y ago
    >But anywhere in Australia with 3G access (i.e. populated areas) all have the same data tariff, which is comparable to the US price How do you know the details of AT&T's roaming agreements with Australian carriers? I know you don't, because your statement is 1000% incorrect.
    - takluyver 14y ago
      I would assume Amazon can negotiate with local carriers in each region, rather than paying through a US carrier for data sent to Australia.
      - xxpor 14y ago
        That would require a magical sim swap while the kindle is in transit.
  - apapli 14y ago
    Where did you read that? On my reading of the terms (and being an AU resident) I'm pretty sure whisper net doesn't exist in Australia. Which would also suggest you don't get charged a delivery fee to AU customers..? https://kdp.amazon.com/self-publishing/help?topicId=A29FL26OKE7R7B https://kdp.amazon.com/self-publishing/help?topicId=A29FL26O...

freerobby 14y ago

If you actually read the article you'll see that he addresses this and that it applies to wifi purchases.

xxpor 14y ago
But there's no difference from amazon's perspective, because once you bought the book, you can download it over 3g at any time, multiple times.
- freerobby 14y ago
  There is no way that the average purchase costs $2.50+ to deliver, even amortized over the lifetime of the book. Amazon can charge whatever they want; I just think they should be transparent about what people's net pay will be. It's disingenuous to advertise that you take a 30% cut plus "delivery costs," and then mark up the "delivery costs" to over 25% of the average book price. Apple uses a similar paradigm (processing fees do not come from their 30%), but they only deduct the actual processing fees.
  - bemmu 14y ago
    Maybe kindles are manufactured at a loss and these delivery fees are then part of the device cost?
    - takluyver 14y ago
      But that's not a "delivery fee", which makes it kind of dishonest. Amazon already take a fixed 30% cut, which ought to include any subsidy on the devices.
  - guan 14y ago
    What does Apple typically charge in processing fees on top of their 30%? I’ve tried to find some information on this, and every source I’ve found says they only charge the 30%.
    - 14y ago

tehayj 14y ago

3g charges can be pretty hefty...

guelo 14y ago

Looks like your ctrl+f isn't working.