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Fox News has a clear separation of hard news and opinion. While it hosts both type of content both online and on air, every show or article clearly falls into o

by koolba 2y ago

Fox News has a clear separation of hard news and opinion. While it hosts both type of content both online and on air, every show or article clearly falls into one of those buckets and they don’t hide it. Every NYT news article reeks of influence from its decidedly liberal editorial board. Can’t really blame them either as the balkanization of media means that’s exactly what their readers want anyway.

rbanffy 2y ago
> that’s exactly what their readers want anyway News outlets should be held to a higher standard than that. Sadly, I don't see anything that can force that but the withdrawal of the legal protections the press has when it doesn't meet those standards.
- chiefalchemist 2y ago
  In theory, they should be policing each other. The reality is, the standard for textbook definition journalism has all but disappeared. All the heavyweights (e.g., NYT, Fox, CNN, etc.) are overly biased, shameless, etc. What used to be journalism (in the USA) is now mostly TMZ meets BuzzFeed.
  - rbanffy 2y ago
    > In theory, they should be policing each other. They have no teeth. > What used to be journalism (in the USA) is now mostly TMZ meets BuzzFeed. You can't have a news organisation competing for the same attention with organisations focusing on entertainment (or hate-fuelled engagement farming) dressed up as news. This seems like a failure of the market to self-regulate.
taylodl 2y ago
Fox News argued in court that they are not news and that it's unreasonable for anyone to construe them as a news outlet. So much for your "clear separation" of hard news and opinion - Fox News argued, in a court of law, that it's all opinion.
- rbanffy 2y ago
  And I doubt those opinions are even sincere at this point.
- coldtea 2y ago
  >Fox News argued in court that they are not news and that it's unreasonable for anyone to construe them as a news outlet Any outlet would do the same, if they could avoid fines that way. Doesn't mean anything.
  - taylodl 2y ago
    Speculative. It's also perjury if they were lying. Are you implying Fox News has no regard for the law whatsoever? And if that were true then why would anyone watch them? Besides, reality aligns with their assertion that they're not a news organization.
    - rbanffy 2y ago
      Well... It's not impossible for them to report news in an accurate and unbiased form, so there is the possibility they could eventually be a news organisation.

by koolba 2y ago

rbanffy 2y ago

> that’s exactly what their readers want anyway News outlets should be held to a higher standard than that. Sadly, I don't see anything that can force that but the withdrawal of the legal protections the press has when it doesn't meet those standards.

chiefalchemist 2y ago
In theory, they should be policing each other. The reality is, the standard for textbook definition journalism has all but disappeared. All the heavyweights (e.g., NYT, Fox, CNN, etc.) are overly biased, shameless, etc. What used to be journalism (in the USA) is now mostly TMZ meets BuzzFeed.
- rbanffy 2y ago
  > In theory, they should be policing each other. They have no teeth. > What used to be journalism (in the USA) is now mostly TMZ meets BuzzFeed. You can't have a news organisation competing for the same attention with organisations focusing on entertainment (or hate-fuelled engagement farming) dressed up as news. This seems like a failure of the market to self-regulate.

taylodl 2y ago

Fox News argued in court that they are not news and that it's unreasonable for anyone to construe them as a news outlet. So much for your "clear separation" of hard news and opinion - Fox News argued, in a court of law, that it's all opinion.

rbanffy 2y ago
And I doubt those opinions are even sincere at this point.
coldtea 2y ago
>Fox News argued in court that they are not news and that it's unreasonable for anyone to construe them as a news outlet Any outlet would do the same, if they could avoid fines that way. Doesn't mean anything.
- taylodl 2y ago
  Speculative. It's also perjury if they were lying. Are you implying Fox News has no regard for the law whatsoever? And if that were true then why would anyone watch them? Besides, reality aligns with their assertion that they're not a news organization.
  - rbanffy 2y ago
    Well... It's not impossible for them to report news in an accurate and unbiased form, so there is the possibility they could eventually be a news organisation.