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>the syntax. It’s ugly. [...] I would prefer something that is less sigil-heavy. That's also one of my gripes with Rust. Very sigil heavy makes it hard to goog

>the syntax. It’s ugly. [...] I would prefer something that is less sigil-heavy. That's also one of my gripes with Rust. Very sigil heavy makes it hard to google syntax elements. What's the name of the `|` glyph? Especially challenging if you know the name of the glyphs in your language but not in necessarily in english. Double challenging for glyphs with several accepted names But in the end, I'm big enough to realize that this is not a very important aspect of the language If it's ugly so be it. I'll still learn it Also for once Bing Copilot pretty much solved this for me since unlike google search, it's semantic + it doesn't ignore special characters

SushiHippie 2y ago
FYI Wikipedia has pages for every ascii character I think, if you just search for `|` in wikipedia it would redirect you to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vertical_bar https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vertical_bar Which lists all the common names used for this symbol Here is also a table with all symbols with direct links to the wikipedia pages https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASCII#Character_set https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASCII#Character_set
rascul 2y ago
This might be useful https://doc.rust-lang.org/reference/tokens.html#punctuation https://doc.rust-lang.org/reference/tokens.html#punctuation
- yencabulator 2y ago
  That doesn't seem to explain 'lifetimes or turbo::<Fish>, though.
  - steveklabnik 2y ago
    The page linked for :: explains the turbofish. That said, you're right that it could use a row for the lifetime syntax.
    - yencabulator 2y ago
      If you know where to look, you will find it. If you don't, you don't. For someone new to Rust, I don't see why you'd expect them to expect to see a "path separator" between the function name and it's call in x.collect::<Vec<_>>(). A more likely path to discovery is via the Generics link (discovered from "<" being so prominent there), which shows the ::<> syntax in context of const values, and that isn't actually very helpful for understanding.
      - steveklabnik 2y ago
        So the thing is, the link provided is not really intended to be "teach me what syntax means." It is meant to provide a reference for various tokens. And it does that, because the turbofish isn't a single thing, it's a combination of two things. If the goal of this page was "comprehensively explain Rust syntax to someone who doesn't know Rust," I would agree with you. But it's "produce a spec-like document for experts who want fine-grained details about the language."

SushiHippie 2y ago

FYI Wikipedia has pages for every ascii character I think, if you just search for `|` in wikipedia it would redirect you to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vertical_bar https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vertical_bar Which lists all the common names used for this symbol Here is also a table with all symbols with direct links to the wikipedia pages https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASCII#Character_set https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ASCII#Character_set

rascul 2y ago

This might be useful https://doc.rust-lang.org/reference/tokens.html#punctuation https://doc.rust-lang.org/reference/tokens.html#punctuation

yencabulator 2y ago
That doesn't seem to explain 'lifetimes or turbo::<Fish>, though.
- steveklabnik 2y ago
  The page linked for :: explains the turbofish. That said, you're right that it could use a row for the lifetime syntax.
  - yencabulator 2y ago
    If you know where to look, you will find it. If you don't, you don't. For someone new to Rust, I don't see why you'd expect them to expect to see a "path separator" between the function name and it's call in x.collect::<Vec<_>>(). A more likely path to discovery is via the Generics link (discovered from "<" being so prominent there), which shows the ::<> syntax in context of const values, and that isn't actually very helpful for understanding.
    - steveklabnik 2y ago
      So the thing is, the link provided is not really intended to be "teach me what syntax means." It is meant to provide a reference for various tokens. And it does that, because the turbofish isn't a single thing, it's a combination of two things. If the goal of this page was "comprehensively explain Rust syntax to someone who doesn't know Rust," I would agree with you. But it's "produce a spec-like document for experts who want fine-grained details about the language."