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The first question about Chesterton fences is: why is it there?

by brnt 2y ago

nicbou 2y ago
Correct. On the other hand, Europe (and especially my home Germany) tend to be really bad at navigating people through the laws and regulations they create. Laypeople are left to figure out what the laws are, what they mean, how to follow them, where to get the required certifications etc. My first year of running a simple business in Germany was unbelievably confusing. My only saving grace was that none of those laws are enforced. GDPR is a good example.
- ktosobcy 2y ago
  > Europe (and especially my home Germany) Europe/EU is not Germany… and Germany is infamous for it's dumb redtape and being stuck in "their ways" (if it works then it works then there is no need to change that" seems to be a proverb there, inni't?) Besides - in majority of the countries you have to navigate the laws… either yourself or you get an expert/lawyer that does that for you o_O
  - throwaway55110 2y ago
    I did business in Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary, Croatia, Slovenia, Estonia and Sweden. It was a total shitshow, and I moved it all to UK, which is much better (especially the gov.uk site is a godsend).
    - piva00 2y ago
      What exactly was a shitshow in Sweden? So far in my experience it's quite a breeze to start and run a business here.
      - throwaway55110 2y ago
        As everywhere else in EU (and unlike the UK), filling taxes and registering employees for all the necessary insurances and gov agencies becomes an extreme burden as soon as you go beyond just one person / the simplest business transactions. It's a fulltime job even if the company is still very small and just doesn't have the resources to hire a fulltime dedicated person.
        ktosobcy 2y ago
        Uhm... usually if you go beyond 1 person then you get someone to handle all the paperwork and this applies to almost all countries... In case of Poland it's not all that expensive either, especially if it takes off of you the burden...
        throwaway55110 2y ago
        No, not really. I can't make the money to hire the person to handle it without first having the employees. I handle it all myself, I am not VC-funded nor eligible for incentives.
        ktosobcy 2y ago
        Still, cost of accountant in Poland is just... low...
  - nicbou 2y ago
    My point is that the UX of running a business in Europe is not great. Germany is worse, but the EU is not great either.

The first question about Chesterton fences is: why is it there?

by brnt 2y ago

The first question about Chesterton fences is: why is it there?

Correct. On the other hand, Europe (and especially my home Germany) tend to be really bad at navigating people through the laws and regulations they create. Laypeople are left to figure out what the laws are, what they mean, how to follow them, where to get the required certifications etc. My first year of running a simple business in Germany was unbelievably confusing. My only saving grace was that none of those laws are enforced. GDPR is a good example.

ktosobcy 2y ago
> Europe (and especially my home Germany) Europe/EU is not Germany… and Germany is infamous for it's dumb redtape and being stuck in "their ways" (if it works then it works then there is no need to change that" seems to be a proverb there, inni't?) Besides - in majority of the countries you have to navigate the laws… either yourself or you get an expert/lawyer that does that for you o_O
- throwaway55110 2y ago
  I did business in Poland, Czech Republic, Slovakia, Hungary, Croatia, Slovenia, Estonia and Sweden. It was a total shitshow, and I moved it all to UK, which is much better (especially the gov.uk site is a godsend).
  - piva00 2y ago
    What exactly was a shitshow in Sweden? So far in my experience it's quite a breeze to start and run a business here.
    - throwaway55110 2y ago
      As everywhere else in EU (and unlike the UK), filling taxes and registering employees for all the necessary insurances and gov agencies becomes an extreme burden as soon as you go beyond just one person / the simplest business transactions. It's a fulltime job even if the company is still very small and just doesn't have the resources to hire a fulltime dedicated person.
      - ktosobcy 2y ago
        Uhm... usually if you go beyond 1 person then you get someone to handle all the paperwork and this applies to almost all countries... In case of Poland it's not all that expensive either, especially if it takes off of you the burden...
        throwaway55110 2y ago
        No, not really. I can't make the money to hire the person to handle it without first having the employees. I handle it all myself, I am not VC-funded nor eligible for incentives.
        ktosobcy 2y ago
        Still, cost of accountant in Poland is just... low...
- nicbou 2y ago
  My point is that the UX of running a business in Europe is not great. Germany is worse, but the EU is not great either.