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Well, the overall UX isn't just the UI (getting photos geotagged or edited or off the camera, for example, are pain points others have pointed out that they sti
by solardev 2y ago
Well, the overall UX isn't just the UI (getting photos geotagged or edited or off the camera, for example, are pain points others have pointed out that they still don't address well). Of course form factor is a (big) part of it too.
Even when discussing just the on-camera UI, there's nothing about "tools for professionals" that says they must never change the UI, or that every setting must be immediately accessible in a flat hierarchy, or that you must use a one-axis scroll wheel to change a 2D focus point, etc.
Yes, it's a great thing that there are features of a standalone camera (like instant on, or physical buttons) that smartphones don't have. However, that doesn't mean the cameras have to disregard all the UX and UI changes other electronics have gone through over the last 10-20 years (some good, some bad, but over the long term they've become more approachable to more people). Meanwhile cameras remained largely unchanged and as a result DSLRs are pretty much a dead segment now. (I too loved the viewfinder and ability to use them without an screen, especially when optical... but not the rest of the experience).
As a former amateur photographer, I eventually sold all my bodies and lenses because it was just such a pain to use them compared to the smartphones and prosumer prime compacts of the day, which were all iterating much faster than the "proper" DSLRs. Back in those days, even just getting the photos off the camera wirelessly was a pain, requiring the use of 3rd-party WiFi SD cards or really old USB cables. I think these days mirrorless is once again trying new things, but I'm out of the hobby now and can't afford to reinvest into it :(
- ge0rg 2y agoI want back the UX of electronics from twenty years ago, with physical knobs and dials. Spare me the glitchy touch screens on kitchen appliances that can't be operated with wet fingers. Spare me the cheap pseudo buttons without a noticeable click point on washing machines. I don't want to wait multiple seconds after pushing the power "button" to see if the device just lags or if I didn't push hard enough. I don't want a TV that needs minutes to boot android, only to overlay what I want to see with ads benefiting the manufacturer. I don't want to wait a minute after starting the car before I can configure the heating... on a touch screen that first makes me accept the ToS.
- solardev 2y agoI wouldn't want that either.
- wlesieutre 2y ago> Spare me the glitchy touch screens on kitchen appliances that can't be operated with wet fingers Well, the person upthread did say "I don't think any of the camera manufacturers have good UX people" (emphasis mine) and the kitchen appliance companies don't either
- throwaway22032 2y agoMy Sony a7 mirrorless solves basically all of the issues you have described. The menu hierarchy isn't flat. Physical knobs for everything, even customizable. Touch to focus (though I prefer using the ring tbh). BT/WiFi transfer. A bit slow (2-3 sec for a 50mb raw photo) but fine for what I need. I use a USB-c SD reader for my phone and sync the entire card to an SD card in my smartphone. Full size HDMI built in. I don't think I would say that cameras are dead, it's just that it's a hobbyist thing now. Most of my friends would never buy a camera except a cheapy one like an Instax for fun, they're not dropping a grand on an f1.4 35mm.
- solardev 2y agoThanks for the suggestion! I don't have much money right now, but really miss SLR-like photography. I've long eyed the Alphas with envy, and now that I no longer have any Canon lenses anyway, maybe my next one will be a Sony instead once I can afford one. Can I ask how your experience with the electronic viewfinder has been? Is it as fast and clear as a traditional dSLR's optical viewfinder?
- throwaway22032 2y agoI find it indistinguishable and in some ways better. At least 60fps maybe more. You can tell that it is a screen because of the HUD etc but it doesn't "feel" like one in practice. I hear that the newer ones are better still. If you go to a camera shop they should let you try it, that's how I went for mine.
- solardev 2y agoGreat, good to hear. I'll look forward to one if I ever make enough money again :) Thank you.
- stephenitis 2y agoI jumped from a 216 Canon 80D to a Sony A7RV. It was sort of an insane jump but I'm having an amazing experience. I told the wife I'd take very nice photos of a kid to try to justify the cost. The glass alone can be $750- 1-3k. I'm borrowing glass rn. Check out the sonyalpha subreddit to see what people are doing with it