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FBI is working to break into the phone of the Trump rally shooter

7 points by miles 2y ago

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lofaszvanitt 2y ago
Why did they shoot down the guy? Incapacitate him, instead of blowing his brains out. And you'll get answers, and not a puzzle that might fit together.
- JSDevOps 2y ago
  Timing, He could have got off a few more rounds that could have killed more people. It's better to be sure he couldn't.
- Shank 2y ago
  > Why did they shoot down the guy? He had a gun aimed at the former president of the united states, and the priority is to eliminate the immediate present danger. Take 1 more second to incapacitate and maybe you've got a dead political candidate?
  - lofaszvanitt 2y ago
    And how come there was no drone squad? Just one guy with a cheap ass drone, to scan the roofs? I'm not an expert in this topic, but this seems like a no-brainer.
- db48x 2y ago
  You never, ever shoot to incapacitate. Shoot to kill or don’t shoot at all.
  - mindcrime 2y ago
    Shoot to kill or don’t shoot at all. Strictly speaking, the idea is "shoot to stop the threat", and whether the target eventually succumbs or not is incidental. But overall, your point stands - the old idea of "shoot them in the leg" or whatever is NOT the desired strategy.
    - lofaszvanitt 2y ago
      Time to innovate new guns.
  - lofaszvanitt 2y ago
    What a load of crap. If you kill these people, you will never know their true intentions. You cannot question a dead body.
    - db48x 2y ago
      If you try to incapacitate someone by shooting them, they will either die anyway or kill someone (perhaps you, or someone you are supposed to be protecting, or another bystander) before you can take the shot. If you had a science fictional gun that would only ever knock someone out no matter where or how often they were hit, then sure, you could go for it.
- josephcsible 2y ago
  The only way to incapacitate him fast enough that he couldn't fire off any more shots was to kill him.
- proc0 2y ago
  If you look at police footage of people getting shot you will see that it's very common for someone to get shot in one of the limbs or even the body and still be able to return fire.
  - lofaszvanitt 2y ago
    Use weapons that are capable of incapacitating the person, without killing him. From a distance.
    - proc0 2y ago
      Name one example.
      - lofaszvanitt 2y ago
        Use your imagination. All I'm saying that there is room for research for new weapons that doesn't kill the individual, just neutralizes them, so if someone has some moment of rage or mental breakdown the person could live on after caught and treated. Create something that pins down the target or paralyzes like the taser, but from a distance. But if you blow everyone's brain out with 50+ year ago developed murder weapons, and think this is fine as it is, this will never happen.
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        proc0 2y ago
        The point is there isn't an alternative and using imagination isn't going to magically make that possible. If you are 200 yards away, a gun is probably the only way to stop someone in any way. Pepper spray, tasers, etc... none of that works from a distance that most guns can be fired at. Tear gas or other crowd control will not stop someone from taking a shot. If you're suggesting creating something new, then sure, but even then I would assume most things have been tried already. Nothing stops a gun from a distance except another gun.
miles 2y ago
Found this part interesting: > [A]gents in Pennsylvania were unable to break into the phone. It’s been shipped to the FBI’s lab in Quantico, Virginia, where the FBI hopes to get past the phone’s password protection... Thought standard Cellebrite hardware might've done the trick, but even their "Advanced Services" page[1] only mentions "iPhone 4S to iPhone XS/XR" and "iOS 5 to iOS 12" for "unlocking and extraction". Does anyone know if that information is out of date? [1] https://cellebrite.com/en/cas-sales-inquiry/ https://cellebrite.com/en/cas-sales-inquiry/

7 points by miles 2y ago

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Why did they shoot down the guy? Incapacitate him, instead of blowing his brains out. And you'll get answers, and not a puzzle that might fit together.

JSDevOps 2y ago
Timing, He could have got off a few more rounds that could have killed more people. It's better to be sure he couldn't.
Shank 2y ago
> Why did they shoot down the guy? He had a gun aimed at the former president of the united states, and the priority is to eliminate the immediate present danger. Take 1 more second to incapacitate and maybe you've got a dead political candidate?
- lofaszvanitt 2y ago
  And how come there was no drone squad? Just one guy with a cheap ass drone, to scan the roofs? I'm not an expert in this topic, but this seems like a no-brainer.
db48x 2y ago
You never, ever shoot to incapacitate. Shoot to kill or don’t shoot at all.
- mindcrime 2y ago
  Shoot to kill or don’t shoot at all. Strictly speaking, the idea is "shoot to stop the threat", and whether the target eventually succumbs or not is incidental. But overall, your point stands - the old idea of "shoot them in the leg" or whatever is NOT the desired strategy.
  - lofaszvanitt 2y ago
    Time to innovate new guns.
- lofaszvanitt 2y ago
  What a load of crap. If you kill these people, you will never know their true intentions. You cannot question a dead body.
  - db48x 2y ago
    If you try to incapacitate someone by shooting them, they will either die anyway or kill someone (perhaps you, or someone you are supposed to be protecting, or another bystander) before you can take the shot. If you had a science fictional gun that would only ever knock someone out no matter where or how often they were hit, then sure, you could go for it.
josephcsible 2y ago
The only way to incapacitate him fast enough that he couldn't fire off any more shots was to kill him.
proc0 2y ago
If you look at police footage of people getting shot you will see that it's very common for someone to get shot in one of the limbs or even the body and still be able to return fire.
- lofaszvanitt 2y ago
  Use weapons that are capable of incapacitating the person, without killing him. From a distance.
  - proc0 2y ago
    Name one example.
    - lofaszvanitt 2y ago
      Use your imagination. All I'm saying that there is room for research for new weapons that doesn't kill the individual, just neutralizes them, so if someone has some moment of rage or mental breakdown the person could live on after caught and treated. Create something that pins down the target or paralyzes like the taser, but from a distance. But if you blow everyone's brain out with 50+ year ago developed murder weapons, and think this is fine as it is, this will never happen.
      - deleted 2y ago
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      - proc0 2y ago
        The point is there isn't an alternative and using imagination isn't going to magically make that possible. If you are 200 yards away, a gun is probably the only way to stop someone in any way. Pepper spray, tasers, etc... none of that works from a distance that most guns can be fired at. Tear gas or other crowd control will not stop someone from taking a shot. If you're suggesting creating something new, then sure, but even then I would assume most things have been tried already. Nothing stops a gun from a distance except another gun.

miles 2y ago

Found this part interesting: > [A]gents in Pennsylvania were unable to break into the phone. It’s been shipped to the FBI’s lab in Quantico, Virginia, where the FBI hopes to get past the phone’s password protection... Thought standard Cellebrite hardware might've done the trick, but even their "Advanced Services" page[1] only mentions "iPhone 4S to iPhone XS/XR" and "iOS 5 to iOS 12" for "unlocking and extraction". Does anyone know if that information is out of date? [1] https://cellebrite.com/en/cas-sales-inquiry/ https://cellebrite.com/en/cas-sales-inquiry/