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Every single week I have to refuse enabling back up for my pictures on my Google pixel. I refuse it today, next week I open the app and the UI shows the back up

by atum47 2y ago

Every single week I have to refuse enabling back up for my pictures on my Google pixel. I refuse it today, next week I open the app and the UI shows the back up option enabled with a button "continue using the app with back up". Somebody took the time to talk down my comment about this being a strategy to give their AI more training data. I continue believing that if they have your data they will use it.

nickstinemates 2y ago
This goes for every SaaS / cloud native company I think there will be a real shift back on prem with software delivered traditionally due to increased in shit like this (and also due to cost)
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > there will be a real shift back on prem with software Not while we’re production constrained on the bleeding edge of GPUs.
  - ttul 2y ago
    … and that situation will persist until other vendors release consumer GPUs with significant VRAM. Nvidia craftily hamstrings the top consumer GPUs by restricting VRAM to 24GB. To get a bit more costs 3-5x. Only competition will fix this.
    - rtkwe 2y ago
      Even then NVIDIA has a pretty significant technology moat because most of the tools are built around and deeply integrate CUDA so moving off NVIDIA is a costly rewrite.
  - OtherShrezzing 2y ago
    How many SaaS / Cloud Native companies are really GPU constrained? The overwhelming majority of SaaS is a relatively trivial CRUD web-app interfacing with a database, performing some niche business automation, all of which would fit comfortably on a couple of physical servers.
jgalt212 2y ago
I in no way want to absolve Google, but that's the case for so many app permissions on Android. Turn off notifications, and two weeks later the same app your turned off notifications for is once again sending you notifications. It's beyond a joke.
- wafflemaker 2y ago
  You might have disabled one type of notifications, instead of all types of them. Making sure I disable all types of notification from an app usually works for me. What brand of phone are you using?
- hanniabu 2y ago
  Name sure you also disable the ability for the app to change settings
- masalah 2y ago
  Can you share some apps where this happens for you. I have rather the complete opposite experience where unused apps with permissions eventually lose said permissions.
  - no-reply 2y ago
    This is normal, with newer versions of android (probably 10+) there is a feature that checks and removes unused permissions from apps in the last X days. According to the OP here, it does seem like a pain in the butt to disable - https://support.google.com/android/thread/268170076/android-keeps-removing-app-permissions-without-my-consent https://support.google.com/android/thread/268170076/android-...
    - masalah 2y ago
      Thanks for that link! I was aware of that feature hence why I was curious which cases where apps get additional permissions rather than lose as expected.
  - jgalt212 2y ago
mimimi31 2y ago
I don't get those prompts with Google Photos. Have you tried selecting "Use without an account" in the account menu at the top right?
- tyfon 2y ago
  Thank you, I didn't even consider this to be a possibility. I back up to my own storage and was annoyed by this message. Untying photos from my google account is even better!
netsec_burn 2y ago
I fixed this by disabling the Photos app and using Google Gallery (on the Play store). It's the same thing as Photos for what I was using it for, without the online features.
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switch007 2y ago
GrapheneOS helps here by having no real backup solution at all. Google account is entirely optional Pixels have first class support You can also disable Network access to any app (It's a buggy ride though and requires reading a lot of docs and forum posts)
- neilv 2y ago
  How is it buggy? Are you using the Google Play Store? I've been using GrapheneOS for years (Pixel 3 through 7), with only open source add-on apps and no Google Play Store, and it's been pretty solid. (Other than my carrier seeming to hate the 6a hardware or model specifically.)
  - switch007 2y ago
    Are you suggesting GrapheneOS is bug-free? ... https://github.com/GrapheneOS/os-issue-tracker/issues https://github.com/GrapheneOS/os-issue-tracker/issues It was referring to the overall experience to which I was referring, not the OS specifically ("it's a buggy ride", it = the ride, not GrapheneOS) I imagine a lot of the issues are because of the apps not testing on GrapheneOS. But I've had lots of little issues: - Nova Launcher on a daily basis stopped working when pressing the right button (the 'overview' button). I had to kill the stock Launcher app to fix it, interestingly. Had to revert to the stock launcher - 1Password frequently doesn't trigger auto-fill in Vivaldi - Occasionally on boot the SIM unlock doesn't trigger - Camera crashing often (yes, "could be hardware"...I read the forums/GitHub issues) More that I can't remember. It's a bit frustrating. But don't get me wrong, I appreciate the project. I'm not going to go back to stock
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Suppafly 2y ago
>Somebody took the time to talk down my comment about this being a strategy to give their AI more training data. Because that's an insane interpretation of what's happening.

by atum47 2y ago

nickstinemates 2y ago

This goes for every SaaS / cloud native company I think there will be a real shift back on prem with software delivered traditionally due to increased in shit like this (and also due to cost)

JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> there will be a real shift back on prem with software Not while we’re production constrained on the bleeding edge of GPUs.
- ttul 2y ago
  … and that situation will persist until other vendors release consumer GPUs with significant VRAM. Nvidia craftily hamstrings the top consumer GPUs by restricting VRAM to 24GB. To get a bit more costs 3-5x. Only competition will fix this.
  - rtkwe 2y ago
    Even then NVIDIA has a pretty significant technology moat because most of the tools are built around and deeply integrate CUDA so moving off NVIDIA is a costly rewrite.
- OtherShrezzing 2y ago
  How many SaaS / Cloud Native companies are really GPU constrained? The overwhelming majority of SaaS is a relatively trivial CRUD web-app interfacing with a database, performing some niche business automation, all of which would fit comfortably on a couple of physical servers.

jgalt212 2y ago

I in no way want to absolve Google, but that's the case for so many app permissions on Android. Turn off notifications, and two weeks later the same app your turned off notifications for is once again sending you notifications. It's beyond a joke.

wafflemaker 2y ago
You might have disabled one type of notifications, instead of all types of them. Making sure I disable all types of notification from an app usually works for me. What brand of phone are you using?
hanniabu 2y ago
Name sure you also disable the ability for the app to change settings
masalah 2y ago
Can you share some apps where this happens for you. I have rather the complete opposite experience where unused apps with permissions eventually lose said permissions.
- no-reply 2y ago
  This is normal, with newer versions of android (probably 10+) there is a feature that checks and removes unused permissions from apps in the last X days. According to the OP here, it does seem like a pain in the butt to disable - https://support.google.com/android/thread/268170076/android-keeps-removing-app-permissions-without-my-consent https://support.google.com/android/thread/268170076/android-...
  - masalah 2y ago
    Thanks for that link! I was aware of that feature hence why I was curious which cases where apps get additional permissions rather than lose as expected.
- jgalt212 2y ago

mimimi31 2y ago

I don't get those prompts with Google Photos. Have you tried selecting "Use without an account" in the account menu at the top right?

tyfon 2y ago
Thank you, I didn't even consider this to be a possibility. I back up to my own storage and was annoyed by this message. Untying photos from my google account is even better!

netsec_burn 2y ago

I fixed this by disabling the Photos app and using Google Gallery (on the Play store). It's the same thing as Photos for what I was using it for, without the online features.

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switch007 2y ago

GrapheneOS helps here by having no real backup solution at all. Google account is entirely optional Pixels have first class support You can also disable Network access to any app (It's a buggy ride though and requires reading a lot of docs and forum posts)

neilv 2y ago
How is it buggy? Are you using the Google Play Store? I've been using GrapheneOS for years (Pixel 3 through 7), with only open source add-on apps and no Google Play Store, and it's been pretty solid. (Other than my carrier seeming to hate the 6a hardware or model specifically.)
- switch007 2y ago
  Are you suggesting GrapheneOS is bug-free? ... https://github.com/GrapheneOS/os-issue-tracker/issues https://github.com/GrapheneOS/os-issue-tracker/issues It was referring to the overall experience to which I was referring, not the OS specifically ("it's a buggy ride", it = the ride, not GrapheneOS) I imagine a lot of the issues are because of the apps not testing on GrapheneOS. But I've had lots of little issues: - Nova Launcher on a daily basis stopped working when pressing the right button (the 'overview' button). I had to kill the stock Launcher app to fix it, interestingly. Had to revert to the stock launcher - 1Password frequently doesn't trigger auto-fill in Vivaldi - Occasionally on boot the SIM unlock doesn't trigger - Camera crashing often (yes, "could be hardware"...I read the forums/GitHub issues) More that I can't remember. It's a bit frustrating. But don't get me wrong, I appreciate the project. I'm not going to go back to stock

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Suppafly 2y ago

>Somebody took the time to talk down my comment about this being a strategy to give their AI more training data. Because that's an insane interpretation of what's happening.