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Define wealth. I wouldn't confine wealth to just the billionaire class; I'd say wealth is anyone with 5 million+ USD in liquid assets (specifically, that sum o

Define wealth. I wouldn't confine wealth to just the billionaire class; I'd say wealth is anyone with 5 million+ USD in liquid assets (specifically, that sum of money in stocks, bonds and cash). The poorest of the poor in the United States (that have to pay tax), make around $12K per year, and pay more in tax, percentage-wise, for their work than an individual doing absolutely nothing but passively investing in the market does (10% long-term capital gains). There's zero political will to change this because, surprise, every senator, and most members of congress, would be shooting themselves in the foot if legislation to increase captial gains tax were passed. There's too much focus on billionaries -- the United States population as a whole consists of many, many individuals with absurd amounts of wealth that pay next to nothing for doing nothing. At any rate, it is what it is, the American corporate wealth machine benefits, largely, the already wealthy.

xur17 2y ago
> 10% long-term capital gains That is not the long-term capital gains rate in the US.
- virtualwhys 2y ago
  You're right, it's actually 0% with any amount invested, $100,000 or $1,000,000,000,000,000, doesn't matter, provided you don't sell more than roughly $40k, or, god forbid, generate additional income through, say, work. That flat tax rate certainly scales nicely the wealthier you happen to be, paying a max of 20% if you hold for more than a year and decide to cash in on this now several year massive run up in the markets.
  - throwaway7ahgb 2y ago
    It was most likely already taxed. If I invest my paycheck in the market, that money was already taxed at 30-40%. Now I make a dollar in the stock market , and it's taxed again at 20%. This get ridiculous fast.
chrismcb 2y ago
Wealth has a definition. It is what you own (minus what you owe) now whether you are wealthy or not is another question. Someone making 12k a year is not going to pay much on taxes. Some sales tax, maybe some property tax. That is about it. Meanwhile a wealthy person is going to pay gobs in taxes. Sure they may pay a lower percentage of their total income (and even lower of their total wealth) but they will be paying plenty in taxes
pants2 2y ago
Basically, capital gains tax should be much higher than income tax. That seems obvious to me. Someone working for a paycheck should pay a smaller tax rate than someone who randomly bought NVDA stock a few years ago and watched the number go up.
- nickpp 2y ago
  > capital gains tax should be much higher than income tax Then you would in effect discourage investing. Investing, which creates jobs and promotes innovation. Is as simple as that.
  - immibis 2y ago
    [citation needed] Consider the opposite extreme, where the government subsidizes investments to 100x what they are actually worth. Would this create more jobs and innovation, or merely "bullshit investments"? If a subsidy wouldn't create jobs and innovation, a tax wouldn't take them away. There is also the likely possibility that the same investments would be made, but valued lower.
    - nec4b 2y ago
      >>[citation needed] Any economics text book.
      - immibis 2y ago
        Go on. Which economics text book would tell me that if the government incentivized investments to 100x their actual value, the resulting investments wouldn't be bullshit?
        nec4b 2y ago
        Any economic textbook will tell you increasing taxes on capital, decreases investments. No need to make up silly analogies which are false equivalences.

xur17 2y ago

> 10% long-term capital gains That is not the long-term capital gains rate in the US.

virtualwhys 2y ago
You're right, it's actually 0% with any amount invested, $100,000 or $1,000,000,000,000,000, doesn't matter, provided you don't sell more than roughly $40k, or, god forbid, generate additional income through, say, work. That flat tax rate certainly scales nicely the wealthier you happen to be, paying a max of 20% if you hold for more than a year and decide to cash in on this now several year massive run up in the markets.
- throwaway7ahgb 2y ago
  It was most likely already taxed. If I invest my paycheck in the market, that money was already taxed at 30-40%. Now I make a dollar in the stock market , and it's taxed again at 20%. This get ridiculous fast.

chrismcb 2y ago

Wealth has a definition. It is what you own (minus what you owe) now whether you are wealthy or not is another question. Someone making 12k a year is not going to pay much on taxes. Some sales tax, maybe some property tax. That is about it. Meanwhile a wealthy person is going to pay gobs in taxes. Sure they may pay a lower percentage of their total income (and even lower of their total wealth) but they will be paying plenty in taxes

pants2 2y ago

Basically, capital gains tax should be much higher than income tax. That seems obvious to me. Someone working for a paycheck should pay a smaller tax rate than someone who randomly bought NVDA stock a few years ago and watched the number go up.

nickpp 2y ago
> capital gains tax should be much higher than income tax Then you would in effect discourage investing. Investing, which creates jobs and promotes innovation. Is as simple as that.
- immibis 2y ago
  [citation needed] Consider the opposite extreme, where the government subsidizes investments to 100x what they are actually worth. Would this create more jobs and innovation, or merely "bullshit investments"? If a subsidy wouldn't create jobs and innovation, a tax wouldn't take them away. There is also the likely possibility that the same investments would be made, but valued lower.
  - nec4b 2y ago
    >>[citation needed] Any economics text book.
    - immibis 2y ago
      Go on. Which economics text book would tell me that if the government incentivized investments to 100x their actual value, the resulting investments wouldn't be bullshit?
      - nec4b 2y ago
        Any economic textbook will tell you increasing taxes on capital, decreases investments. No need to make up silly analogies which are false equivalences.