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> Not by clicking through AWS' terrible website. Most places with a decent level of engineering maturity are using some form of infrastructure-as-code (Terrafo

by mjr00 2y ago

> Not by clicking through AWS' terrible website. Most places with a decent level of engineering maturity are using some form of infrastructure-as-code (Terraform/OpenTofu, Cloudformation, etc). Though more broadly speaking, it's true that software developers are now frequently expected to move beyond just compiling a JAR file and calling it a day. Expectations of knowledge of the underlying infrastructure that's running your code and how to operate it is more common than it was 15 years ago. I consider this a good thing overall though. > Not through taking a deep breath and trying to reformulate a ChatGPT prompt for the 17th time. I don't know anyone who's doing this at their programming job. GenAI is really good at 1) acting as an enhanced, customizable StackOverflow replacement for specific one-shot algorithms ("given a pandas dataframe with these columns, write code that groups by X and gets the median of the top 3 values"), and 2) pumping out boilerplate code that wasn't interesting to write anyway, like object mappers and certain unit tests. The tougher problems around software architecture, class design, and the trade-offs are still fully in the realm of humans, for now.

pdimitar 2y ago
> Though more broadly speaking, it's true that software developers are now frequently expected to move beyond just compiling a JAR file and calling it a day. And you are demeaning as well for no reason. I even went out of my way to clarify I like SOLVING PROBLEMS WITH CODE, not "just compile a JAR file" which you conveniently ignored and pushed your narrative. Not cool, dude. > Expectations of knowledge of the underlying infrastructure that's running your code and how to operate it is more common than it was 15 years ago. I consider this a good thing overall though. I don't deny it on the premise but again, most vendors want to lock you in so their UX is terrible and specific. I had much more fun making scripts and cookbooks that setup a VPS for my customer's app. Nowadays this has been mostly remedied by Dockerfiles though integrating with k8s and its 5000+ friends is making me want to retire for the next 3 lives. > I don't know anyone who's doing this at their programming job. I don't do it either but I've met plenty of "programmers" who do, and swear by it, even though they had to chase 2-3 subtle bugs that took them 12+ hours to find and correct... whereas just writing those 150-200 coding lines would have taken them 4 hours tops, tests included. It's quite funny. --- My bigger comment here was to criticize the very weird direction the area is trying to go to. It will fail btw. Marketing people are pushy and get their way... INITIALLY. Sooner or later reason prevails.

by mjr00 2y ago

pdimitar 2y ago

> Though more broadly speaking, it's true that software developers are now frequently expected to move beyond just compiling a JAR file and calling it a day. And you are demeaning as well for no reason. I even went out of my way to clarify I like SOLVING PROBLEMS WITH CODE, not "just compile a JAR file" which you conveniently ignored and pushed your narrative. Not cool, dude. > Expectations of knowledge of the underlying infrastructure that's running your code and how to operate it is more common than it was 15 years ago. I consider this a good thing overall though. I don't deny it on the premise but again, most vendors want to lock you in so their UX is terrible and specific. I had much more fun making scripts and cookbooks that setup a VPS for my customer's app. Nowadays this has been mostly remedied by Dockerfiles though integrating with k8s and its 5000+ friends is making me want to retire for the next 3 lives. > I don't know anyone who's doing this at their programming job. I don't do it either but I've met plenty of "programmers" who do, and swear by it, even though they had to chase 2-3 subtle bugs that took them 12+ hours to find and correct... whereas just writing those 150-200 coding lines would have taken them 4 hours tops, tests included. It's quite funny. --- My bigger comment here was to criticize the very weird direction the area is trying to go to. It will fail btw. Marketing people are pushy and get their way... INITIALLY. Sooner or later reason prevails.