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iPhone is a computing device, washing machine is machine capable of computing. Big difference. Jobs literally presented iPhone with “Desktop class applications

iPhone is a computing device, washing machine is machine capable of computing. Big difference. Jobs literally presented iPhone with “Desktop class applications & networking”.

smackeyacky 2y ago
There are plenty of options for handheld computing that Apple don’t make. I am confused by the attitude as if Apple don’t make it very clear what you are buying. Buying an iPhone and expecting it to be something other than a locked down walled garden is wishful thinking
- wiseowise 2y ago
  Stupid consumers don’t understand they’re supposed to abandon their devices and ecosystems instead of demanding Apple to make changes.
  - macintux 2y ago
    Are consumers (outside this relatively niche environment) demanding Apple make changes? I'm personally wishing the EU would shut up, but I can't demand they do anything.
    - wiseowise 2y ago
      > Are consumers (outside this relatively niche environment) demanding Apple make changes? Relatively niche environment shouldn’t have a voice? > I'm personally wishing the EU would shut up, but I can't demand they do anything. What exactly bothers you when EU requests improvements from Apple?
      - macintux 2y ago
        The vocal minority of tech enthusiasts who want a more open computing platform are the same people who can make great use of the alternatives. And the EU isn't "requesting" things, nor are they definitively "improvements". Apple has worked very hard to create a safe platform, a safe ecosystem, and the EU is demanding that they weaken some of those defense mechanisms. I personally feel Apple has struck a reasonable balance, and I value the benefits.
        wiseowise 2y ago
        > The vocal minority of tech enthusiasts who want a more open computing platform are the same people who can make great use of the alternatives. Or like any other consumer they can do a feature request. > And the EU isn't "requesting" things, nor are they definitively "improvements". Apple has worked very hard to create a safe platform, a safe ecosystem, and the EU is demanding that they weaken some of those defense mechanisms. I’ll assume you’re talking about alternative app stores for EU, so how exactly having an alternative store going to weaken defense mechanisms for those who stay within walled garden?
mantas 2y ago
Then iPhone is a phone capable of computing.
- leptons 2y ago
  It's a computing device with a phone peripheral.
  - mantas 2y ago
    Just like computing device with washing machine peripherals.
    - leptons 2y ago
      Not so sure I agree. In the case of an iPhone, the making of voice calls is probably a small amount of all use cases for the device, it's more so a computing device with a phone peripheral. But a washing machine's main function is to wash, and the computer controlling it is really secondary to its main function. The computer could be removed and it wohld still be essentially the same function with relays and timers. If you take the computer out of the iphone and replace it with relays and such to control the "phone" part of it, then it wouldn't resemble an iphone at all, and have virtually none of the functionality that an iphone has.
    - wiseowise 2y ago
      It’s a simple theory to prove. Take away phone part and how many people would use an iPhone? Given how ubiquitous modern messengers are I’d say between 80 to 95% would still use it. Take away washing part and how many people would use washing machine? Therefore iPhone is a computing device with phone peripheral and washing machine is a washing machine machine with computing capability.
- wiseowise 2y ago
  You’ve decided to ignore the part where the guy who invented it said it is capable of “desktop class applications”, I see.

iPhone is a computing device, washing machine is machine capable of computing. Big difference. Jobs literally presented iPhone with “Desktop class applications & networking”.

smackeyacky 2y ago

There are plenty of options for handheld computing that Apple don’t make. I am confused by the attitude as if Apple don’t make it very clear what you are buying. Buying an iPhone and expecting it to be something other than a locked down walled garden is wishful thinking

wiseowise 2y ago
Stupid consumers don’t understand they’re supposed to abandon their devices and ecosystems instead of demanding Apple to make changes.
- macintux 2y ago
  Are consumers (outside this relatively niche environment) demanding Apple make changes? I'm personally wishing the EU would shut up, but I can't demand they do anything.
  - wiseowise 2y ago
    > Are consumers (outside this relatively niche environment) demanding Apple make changes? Relatively niche environment shouldn’t have a voice? > I'm personally wishing the EU would shut up, but I can't demand they do anything. What exactly bothers you when EU requests improvements from Apple?
    - macintux 2y ago
      The vocal minority of tech enthusiasts who want a more open computing platform are the same people who can make great use of the alternatives. And the EU isn't "requesting" things, nor are they definitively "improvements". Apple has worked very hard to create a safe platform, a safe ecosystem, and the EU is demanding that they weaken some of those defense mechanisms. I personally feel Apple has struck a reasonable balance, and I value the benefits.
      - wiseowise 2y ago
        > The vocal minority of tech enthusiasts who want a more open computing platform are the same people who can make great use of the alternatives. Or like any other consumer they can do a feature request. > And the EU isn't "requesting" things, nor are they definitively "improvements". Apple has worked very hard to create a safe platform, a safe ecosystem, and the EU is demanding that they weaken some of those defense mechanisms. I’ll assume you’re talking about alternative app stores for EU, so how exactly having an alternative store going to weaken defense mechanisms for those who stay within walled garden?

mantas 2y ago

Then iPhone is a phone capable of computing.

leptons 2y ago
It's a computing device with a phone peripheral.
- mantas 2y ago
  Just like computing device with washing machine peripherals.
  - leptons 2y ago
    Not so sure I agree. In the case of an iPhone, the making of voice calls is probably a small amount of all use cases for the device, it's more so a computing device with a phone peripheral. But a washing machine's main function is to wash, and the computer controlling it is really secondary to its main function. The computer could be removed and it wohld still be essentially the same function with relays and timers. If you take the computer out of the iphone and replace it with relays and such to control the "phone" part of it, then it wouldn't resemble an iphone at all, and have virtually none of the functionality that an iphone has.
  - wiseowise 2y ago
    It’s a simple theory to prove. Take away phone part and how many people would use an iPhone? Given how ubiquitous modern messengers are I’d say between 80 to 95% would still use it. Take away washing part and how many people would use washing machine? Therefore iPhone is a computing device with phone peripheral and washing machine is a washing machine machine with computing capability.
wiseowise 2y ago
You’ve decided to ignore the part where the guy who invented it said it is capable of “desktop class applications”, I see.