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It's met with ridicule now, but the value of ridicule has slumped in 30 years. Ian Levy, when he was at NCSC spoke about "shame as a weapon against Big Tech".

It's met with ridicule now, but the value of ridicule has slumped in 30 years. Ian Levy, when he was at NCSC spoke about "shame as a weapon against Big Tech". But he missed a crucial flaw - they do not give a fuck. Shame and ridicule only work in societies where people have dignity, self-respect, mutuality and care. It's true that nobody has any reasonable expectation of privacy when using a Google smartphone. But the ruling talks about "willingly". What does "will" have to do with modern life where people are badgered incessantly to surrender their choice, boundaries, and dignity? To exercise "will" these days, is quite a big deal, and usually means going against the flow and suffering some loss.

dotancohen 2y ago
> shame as a weapon against Big Tech Shame is far more often used as a weapon promoting Big Tech. I am constantly ridiculed for not having Facebook or Whatsapp accounts, and many people that I meet are suspicious of me. Try meeting women on Tinder without Whatsapp.
- Brian_K_White 2y ago
  The only woman worth meeting will obviously not use Whatsapp either.
  - dotancohen 2y ago
    Hard disagree, I've met some terrific women on Tinder. Terrific both in and out of the sack.
    - Brian_K_White 2y ago
      Perhaps they may use it, but they cannot be intolerant of you not using it and still be terrific.
- steelframe 2y ago
  > Try meeting women on Tinder without Whatsapp. Drop the "without Whatsapp." It's cleaner. If I ever feel like meeting a woman again our first encounter won't be on a fucking phone app. And that will be just fine.
  - dotancohen 2y ago
    I get enough matches and interesting conversations. It's moving that conversation to a different medium that is problematic when they want to see "who you are" first and you have no Facebook to show them, and even not Whatsapp to write to them. For what it's worth, mentioning Telegram is even worse because that application is associated with drugs in our country.

dotancohen 2y ago

> shame as a weapon against Big Tech Shame is far more often used as a weapon promoting Big Tech. I am constantly ridiculed for not having Facebook or Whatsapp accounts, and many people that I meet are suspicious of me. Try meeting women on Tinder without Whatsapp.

Brian_K_White 2y ago
The only woman worth meeting will obviously not use Whatsapp either.
- dotancohen 2y ago
  Hard disagree, I've met some terrific women on Tinder. Terrific both in and out of the sack.
  - Brian_K_White 2y ago
    Perhaps they may use it, but they cannot be intolerant of you not using it and still be terrific.
steelframe 2y ago
> Try meeting women on Tinder without Whatsapp. Drop the "without Whatsapp." It's cleaner. If I ever feel like meeting a woman again our first encounter won't be on a fucking phone app. And that will be just fine.
- dotancohen 2y ago
  I get enough matches and interesting conversations. It's moving that conversation to a different medium that is problematic when they want to see "who you are" first and you have no Facebook to show them, and even not Whatsapp to write to them. For what it's worth, mentioning Telegram is even worse because that application is associated with drugs in our country.