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This is very prevalent in the expat community where I have many friends. I hate it. At least the current AI developments made it possible for messenger apps to

This is very prevalent in the expat community where I have many friends. I hate it. At least the current AI developments made it possible for messenger apps to transcribe the messages to text (and back, though I haven't seen that feature yet) - we both get what's best for us. And same with voice calls and voicemail - I mostly don't accept calls and let them all go to voicemail. iPhone transcribes what they're saying in real time and I can decide to pick up. I'm really looking forward to an AI-first total overhaul of communication UX.

vladvasiliu 2y ago
> iPhone transcribes what they're saying in real time and I can decide to pick up. How does this work? Is it a carrier feature? On my iPhone, if it goes to voicemail the call is done and the display goes to sleep. I have to go looking for the message in the voicemail to interact with it. I’m in France and have never seen this on the two carriers I’ve used (Bouygues and Free).
- saagarjha 2y ago
  It's US only.
  - throwaway55110 2y ago
    It's not. I'm not in US, nor have any connection to it.
    - saagarjha 2y ago
      Apple disagrees: https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/set-up-voicemail-iph3c99490e/ios https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/set-up-voicemail-iph3...
      - throwaway55110 2y ago
        This is not the same experience I have. Mine is much more basic, inside the voicemail app.
        saagarjha 2y ago
        Yeah that’s just voicemail transcription. The other one picks up the call and does it live.
- throwaway55110 2y ago
  It recently started to work on my Vodafone plan. Never even had a voicemail before that. Probably not a carrier-specific feature, at least not the transcription - though passing the voicemail audio data on probably requires some carrier-side support. I don't think it's some backhand deal though, I think it's using some unusual GSM/LTE/5G capability.
happymellon 2y ago
Speech to text doesn't require AI. I've had it on my Google keyboard for a very long time. Its always been accurate too.
- TeMPOraL 2y ago
  In my case, it always been garbage. Speech to text doesn't require AI when you do it like Microsoft did it in the aughts; ever since "new, better", cloud-side techniques came along, the technology got worse, and the only meaningful qualitative improvement I've seen in two decades is in the last two years, with new-generation models which may or may not be backed by LLMs now.
  - happymellon 2y ago
    Dragon dictate was crappy. Google keyboard was pretty precise. Over time its become worse, but all of Googles products have become worse. That doesn't mean it we couldnt do it, we just can't rely of Google to provide it.
- ben_w 2y ago
  > Speech to text doesn't require AI. *grumpy old man shakes fist at ever-changing meaning of words* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI_effect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI_effect https://www.kurzweiltech.com/kai.html https://www.kurzweiltech.com/kai.html
  - happymellon 2y ago
    They didn't call it AI previously. Are we redefining STT as AI?
    - ben_w 2y ago
      > They didn't call it AI previously. "In this excerpt from The Age of Spiritual Machines (Viking, 1999), Ray Kurzweil describes his work in speech recognition." - previous link "The ‘80s saw speech recognition vocabulary go from a few hundred words to several thousand words. One of the breakthroughs came from a statistical method known as the “Hidden Markov Model (HMM)”. Instead of just using words and looking for sound patterns, the HMM estimated the probability of the unknown sounds actually being words." - https://sonix.ai/history-of-speech-recognition https://sonix.ai/history-of-speech-recognition "Voice Recognition", title of page 82, "Who's who in Artificial Intelligence: The AI Guide to People, Products, Companies, Resources, Schools and Jobs" - By Alan Kernoff, 1986 > Are we redefining STT as AI? The opposite, you're redefining it as not AI.

vladvasiliu 2y ago

> iPhone transcribes what they're saying in real time and I can decide to pick up. How does this work? Is it a carrier feature? On my iPhone, if it goes to voicemail the call is done and the display goes to sleep. I have to go looking for the message in the voicemail to interact with it. I’m in France and have never seen this on the two carriers I’ve used (Bouygues and Free).

saagarjha 2y ago
It's US only.
- throwaway55110 2y ago
  It's not. I'm not in US, nor have any connection to it.
  - saagarjha 2y ago
    Apple disagrees: https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/set-up-voicemail-iph3c99490e/ios https://support.apple.com/guide/iphone/set-up-voicemail-iph3...
    - throwaway55110 2y ago
      This is not the same experience I have. Mine is much more basic, inside the voicemail app.
      - saagarjha 2y ago
        Yeah that’s just voicemail transcription. The other one picks up the call and does it live.
throwaway55110 2y ago
It recently started to work on my Vodafone plan. Never even had a voicemail before that. Probably not a carrier-specific feature, at least not the transcription - though passing the voicemail audio data on probably requires some carrier-side support. I don't think it's some backhand deal though, I think it's using some unusual GSM/LTE/5G capability.

happymellon 2y ago

Speech to text doesn't require AI. I've had it on my Google keyboard for a very long time. Its always been accurate too.

TeMPOraL 2y ago
In my case, it always been garbage. Speech to text doesn't require AI when you do it like Microsoft did it in the aughts; ever since "new, better", cloud-side techniques came along, the technology got worse, and the only meaningful qualitative improvement I've seen in two decades is in the last two years, with new-generation models which may or may not be backed by LLMs now.
- happymellon 2y ago
  Dragon dictate was crappy. Google keyboard was pretty precise. Over time its become worse, but all of Googles products have become worse. That doesn't mean it we couldnt do it, we just can't rely of Google to provide it.
ben_w 2y ago
> Speech to text doesn't require AI. *grumpy old man shakes fist at ever-changing meaning of words* https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI_effect https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AI_effect https://www.kurzweiltech.com/kai.html https://www.kurzweiltech.com/kai.html
- happymellon 2y ago
  They didn't call it AI previously. Are we redefining STT as AI?
  - ben_w 2y ago
    > They didn't call it AI previously. "In this excerpt from The Age of Spiritual Machines (Viking, 1999), Ray Kurzweil describes his work in speech recognition." - previous link "The ‘80s saw speech recognition vocabulary go from a few hundred words to several thousand words. One of the breakthroughs came from a statistical method known as the “Hidden Markov Model (HMM)”. Instead of just using words and looking for sound patterns, the HMM estimated the probability of the unknown sounds actually being words." - https://sonix.ai/history-of-speech-recognition https://sonix.ai/history-of-speech-recognition "Voice Recognition", title of page 82, "Who's who in Artificial Intelligence: The AI Guide to People, Products, Companies, Resources, Schools and Jobs" - By Alan Kernoff, 1986 > Are we redefining STT as AI? The opposite, you're redefining it as not AI.