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Why? I have been using a Mac since 2007. So far, I haven't seen anything spectacular in this keynote except for the retina display. But $2199 (probably 2199 Eur

Why? I have been using a Mac since 2007. So far, I haven't seen anything spectacular in this keynote except for the retina display. But $2199 (probably 2199 Euro in Europe) is a steep price. Edit: Given the lack of real interesting updates in OS X since Leopard and recent iOS versions, I am actually quite interested in Windows 8 and Windows Phone after ~18 years of using Unix-like operating systems and ~5.5 years a Mac.

prezjordan 14y ago
Probably just got pushed over the edge.
gurkendoktor 14y ago
I thought 10.6 was so-so - I preferred Leopard's Exposé. I hate 10.7. But 10.8 makes sense again, especially now that 3rd-party apps are catching up with the concepts of 10.7.
- pkamb 14y ago
  FYI, you can use Leopard's Exposé in Snow Leopard: http://superuser.com/questions/118424/old-leopard-expose-on-snow-leopard-for-mac http://superuser.com/questions/118424/old-leopard-expose-on-... I really miss "all windows" Exposé; Mission Control is not a worthy replacement. Any word on Exposé changes in 10.8?
  - fratis 14y ago
    For me, it's really Spaces whose usefulness was diminished in 10.7. They used to be configurable in multiple dimensions (i.e., X & Y): now they're linear only. Lame city.
    - eieio 14y ago
      I use change space(https://github.com/sdsykes/Change-Space https://github.com/sdsykes/Change-Space) to get around this, but the fact that I can't have native 2-d spaces really bothers me. Change Space is good, but it does have a few bugs that wouldn't exist if Apple hadn't insisted on breaking spaces for no reason that I'm aware of. I love my Macbook but can't stand the direction of the operating system. It feels like I use more and more hacks like the above just to have a usable machine.
  - gurkendoktor 14y ago
    I used this to the very end :) A friend who first started using OS X with 10.6 saw it and installed it right then too. Good news! There is a system preference in 10.8 to ungroup windows (by application) in Mission Control. Still, the "spaces bar" and dock show up every time you use MC, so there's less real estate than on 10.5. Dragging to the Dock stopped being useful in 10.6 IMHO, that's still the same in 10.8. (In 10.5, dragging an icon to the dock in Exposé would act the same as clicking the icon - e.g. for Skype it would open the window if it was closed.)
- thom 14y ago
  The more apps catch up with 10.7, the more they all do that unbearable fullscreen-on-some-weird-new-unexpected-virtual-desktop thing, yuck.
  - gurkendoktor 14y ago
    To chyme in and rant... iTunes must be the worst offender. I always fullscreen it, because I seldom access it but want it to use all of my 13". Then I start a video podcast. It runs inside the iTunes chrome. I hit cmd+F, it opens a new space. I finish watching the cast. The space closes and I land on the desktop instead of back in iTunes. What? I wish any high-level blogger would start caring about OS X usability again. 10.7 needs more and not less public shaming. I don't think anyone even noticed that mouse/trackpad click-through is different again in 10.7, and for the worse IMHO. :(
moystard 14y ago
As much as I love this new Macbook Pro with this beautiful retina display, Mountain Lion is just another iteration in the iOS direction and I still don't like the user experience. As usual, I will use several tools to get back to the old but good desktop metaphor with less shiny but functional features.
- pkamb 14y ago
  The problem will be when Xcode stops working on Snow Leopard.
  - ericd 14y ago
    I think it already has? That's why I had to finally bite the bullet and upgrade to Lion. My reluctance wasn't unfounded, it turns out.
    - sureshv 14y ago
      Yes, I think with XCode 4.3 I had to upgrade to Lion from Snow Leopard.
    - pkamb 14y ago
      The Mac App Store version is dead for Snow Leopard, but you can still download 10.6 compatible builds directly from the developer portal.
      - ericd 14y ago
        I tried pretty hard to find that, since I'd been able to do that for a previous version, but I came up empty. If you're telling me I could have avoided giving up SL, I'm pretty sad about that.
        tedunangst 14y ago
        I tried as well. There does not appear to be a download link available anywhere for free. Everybody keeps saying you can download it, but I don't think anybody actually has in quite some time, and nobody has posted a link.
mrb 14y ago
Mac Book Pro with Retina display = 2279 EUR in France http://store.apple.com/fr/browse/home/shop_mac/family/macbook_pro http://store.apple.com/fr/browse/home/shop_mac/family/macboo...
- jarek 14y ago
  For comparison purposes, before tax this is 1905 €, roughly 2380 USD.

prezjordan 14y ago

Probably just got pushed over the edge.

gurkendoktor 14y ago

I thought 10.6 was so-so - I preferred Leopard's Exposé. I hate 10.7. But 10.8 makes sense again, especially now that 3rd-party apps are catching up with the concepts of 10.7.

pkamb 14y ago
FYI, you can use Leopard's Exposé in Snow Leopard: http://superuser.com/questions/118424/old-leopard-expose-on-snow-leopard-for-mac http://superuser.com/questions/118424/old-leopard-expose-on-... I really miss "all windows" Exposé; Mission Control is not a worthy replacement. Any word on Exposé changes in 10.8?
- fratis 14y ago
  For me, it's really Spaces whose usefulness was diminished in 10.7. They used to be configurable in multiple dimensions (i.e., X & Y): now they're linear only. Lame city.
  - eieio 14y ago
    I use change space(https://github.com/sdsykes/Change-Space https://github.com/sdsykes/Change-Space) to get around this, but the fact that I can't have native 2-d spaces really bothers me. Change Space is good, but it does have a few bugs that wouldn't exist if Apple hadn't insisted on breaking spaces for no reason that I'm aware of. I love my Macbook but can't stand the direction of the operating system. It feels like I use more and more hacks like the above just to have a usable machine.
- gurkendoktor 14y ago
  I used this to the very end :) A friend who first started using OS X with 10.6 saw it and installed it right then too. Good news! There is a system preference in 10.8 to ungroup windows (by application) in Mission Control. Still, the "spaces bar" and dock show up every time you use MC, so there's less real estate than on 10.5. Dragging to the Dock stopped being useful in 10.6 IMHO, that's still the same in 10.8. (In 10.5, dragging an icon to the dock in Exposé would act the same as clicking the icon - e.g. for Skype it would open the window if it was closed.)
thom 14y ago
The more apps catch up with 10.7, the more they all do that unbearable fullscreen-on-some-weird-new-unexpected-virtual-desktop thing, yuck.
- gurkendoktor 14y ago
  To chyme in and rant... iTunes must be the worst offender. I always fullscreen it, because I seldom access it but want it to use all of my 13". Then I start a video podcast. It runs inside the iTunes chrome. I hit cmd+F, it opens a new space. I finish watching the cast. The space closes and I land on the desktop instead of back in iTunes. What? I wish any high-level blogger would start caring about OS X usability again. 10.7 needs more and not less public shaming. I don't think anyone even noticed that mouse/trackpad click-through is different again in 10.7, and for the worse IMHO. :(

moystard 14y ago

As much as I love this new Macbook Pro with this beautiful retina display, Mountain Lion is just another iteration in the iOS direction and I still don't like the user experience. As usual, I will use several tools to get back to the old but good desktop metaphor with less shiny but functional features.

pkamb 14y ago
The problem will be when Xcode stops working on Snow Leopard.
- ericd 14y ago
  I think it already has? That's why I had to finally bite the bullet and upgrade to Lion. My reluctance wasn't unfounded, it turns out.
  - sureshv 14y ago
    Yes, I think with XCode 4.3 I had to upgrade to Lion from Snow Leopard.
  - pkamb 14y ago
    The Mac App Store version is dead for Snow Leopard, but you can still download 10.6 compatible builds directly from the developer portal.
    - ericd 14y ago
      I tried pretty hard to find that, since I'd been able to do that for a previous version, but I came up empty. If you're telling me I could have avoided giving up SL, I'm pretty sad about that.
      - tedunangst 14y ago
        I tried as well. There does not appear to be a download link available anywhere for free. Everybody keeps saying you can download it, but I don't think anybody actually has in quite some time, and nobody has posted a link.

mrb 14y ago

Mac Book Pro with Retina display = 2279 EUR in France http://store.apple.com/fr/browse/home/shop_mac/family/macbook_pro http://store.apple.com/fr/browse/home/shop_mac/family/macboo...

jarek 14y ago
For comparison purposes, before tax this is 1905 €, roughly 2380 USD.