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I'm quite sure he is open about ending democracy from day one?

by bamboozled 2y ago

defrost 2y ago
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- bamboozled 2y ago
  Well I guess because America is a failing nation, according to him, he might have to be a dictator for a little longer just to "fix it all", right? Don't you know how this works? Never read a history book?
  - defrost 2y ago
    > Don't you know how this works? Is that a loaded question? > Never read a history book? Have you stopped beating your mother? I'll return to my factual deadpan comment above. He did { promise | pinky swear } to only act as a dictator for a day. That stands alone just fine as it is.
    - bamboozled 2y ago
      Is that like a funny thing to joke about ? Do you know how many people have died protecting freedom and democracy ? How many Americans ? Anyway have fun with it if he wins. You’ll find out. Our family are refugees from the Soviet Union, so enjoys your “jokes” and stubbornness to read the signs. Vote wisely is my advice.
      - defrost 2y ago
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        bamboozled 2y ago
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        defrost 2y ago
        > So nah, I'm not asking you for anything, just don't be so reckless. Once you go down that path, you can't really go back. Out of curiousity, who do you think yo are talking to? A US Trump supporter maybe? I'm neither. From my PoV, as little as that matters, your responses have been nonsensical and off kilter since https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40959062 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40959062 What, exactly, is the correct answer to > Never read a history book? Is it "No, I have never read a history book" or is it "Yes, I have never read a history book" ? Near as I can tell you leapt to the arrogant and presumptive position that I had somehow never read a history book. If it helps I read a A Short History of the World (1922)* H.G.Wells back in about 1974 or so .. and a few hundred others since. While I appreciate your unsolicited advice here and the spirit in which you offer it it does rather appear to be directed at somebody entirely not me. Perhaps you're prone to rush into responses without engaging any thought or contemplation? * That and his The Outline of History weren't too bad for 1920|1930's British PoV History, not definitive nor authorative but not too shabby - Arnold J. Toynbee defended them along the lines of decent for the general public.
        bamboozled 2y ago
        Hitler, armed with his newfound celebrity, began furiously campaigning. During the 1920s, Hitler and the Nazis ran on a platform consisting of anti-communism, antisemitism, and ultranationalism. Nazi party leaders vociferously criticized the ruling democratic government and the Treaty of Versailles, while proselytizing their desire to turn Germany into a world power. At this time, most Germans were indifferent to Hitler's rhetoric as the German economy was beginning to recover in large part due to loans from the United States under the Dawes Plan".[1] " while proselytizing their desire to turn Germany into a world power.", to "Make America great again". Does this sound familiar to you? I guess you think I'm being hyperbolic but honestly, there is a LOT of similarities with these two stories and the messianic following Trump has. Why do you think anyone telling the level of lies he tells, and taking the actions he is taking would just joke about "being a dictator for a day". He acts in bad faith, permanently. He lies endlessly. He isn't planning to just be a nice old funny president, that's for certain. Sorry but I could only assume you're unfamiliar with some basic history if you think Americans need not be concerned or this is some unique situation in history, this is fall of the Roman Empire level stuff, it's happened hundreds of time before. It's started to look like the only outlier here would be if he somehow loses and is fired form his position in the republican party. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler%27s_rise_to_power https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler%27s_rise_to_power
      - kernal 2y ago
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        OKRainbowKid 2y ago
        McCarthyism really did a number on people.
      - ElectronCharge 2y ago
        It was actually a reference to executive orders being dictatorial. Both BHO and JRB have referred to them that way when convenient, the used them liberally (sorry/not sorry) once they were able to. Some of JRB’s first actions were executive orders that undid a lot of DJT’s border security measures, for instance.
  - kernal 2y ago
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- glenndebacker 2y ago
  You should really read the book “How democracies die” for some insights and signals how it begins. Maybe it’s because I’m from Europe and there are numerous examples (Germany, Spain, Italy,…) how it starts, but there is no single bone in my body that does not think that Trump has the same traits. (Not that the solution should be violence) And the problem is that “the shining city upon the hill” is dimming and it’s becoming more and more a bad example for other countries. I never ever would think to live in an age that political parties would question if we should throw basic human rights in the trash while dealing with people we don’t want.
  - aydyn 2y ago
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  - defrost 2y ago
    > You should really read the book Why would you assume I haven't read it? Any reason I should reread a book that was published some 36 years after I studied politics in university ? Again, Trump literally said that he woud only be a dictator for a day .. which I personally think sums him up beautifully and encapsulates just about everything you need to know about the man; starting with an over inflated sense of time management. I blame the US system TBH, it was a shining star 300 years ago but heed was not given to Franklin's advice on tending it with care and avoiding despots. Maybe it's because I'm from a politic system penned by grandparents who looked at the flaws (as they saw them) of both Washington and Westminster and created a Washminster hybrid (still flawed, but fresher and so far better tended).
    - meiraleal 2y ago
      How does it work to be a dictator for only a day? Are you ok with that like if kamala harris could be a dictator for a day if the democrats win?
  - kernal 2y ago
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I'm quite sure he is open about ending democracy from day one?

defrost 2y ago

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bamboozled 2y ago
Well I guess because America is a failing nation, according to him, he might have to be a dictator for a little longer just to "fix it all", right? Don't you know how this works? Never read a history book?
- defrost 2y ago
  > Don't you know how this works? Is that a loaded question? > Never read a history book? Have you stopped beating your mother? I'll return to my factual deadpan comment above. He did { promise | pinky swear } to only act as a dictator for a day. That stands alone just fine as it is.
  - bamboozled 2y ago
    Is that like a funny thing to joke about ? Do you know how many people have died protecting freedom and democracy ? How many Americans ? Anyway have fun with it if he wins. You’ll find out. Our family are refugees from the Soviet Union, so enjoys your “jokes” and stubbornness to read the signs. Vote wisely is my advice.
    - defrost 2y ago
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      - bamboozled 2y ago
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        defrost 2y ago
        > So nah, I'm not asking you for anything, just don't be so reckless. Once you go down that path, you can't really go back. Out of curiousity, who do you think yo are talking to? A US Trump supporter maybe? I'm neither. From my PoV, as little as that matters, your responses have been nonsensical and off kilter since https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40959062 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40959062 What, exactly, is the correct answer to > Never read a history book? Is it "No, I have never read a history book" or is it "Yes, I have never read a history book" ? Near as I can tell you leapt to the arrogant and presumptive position that I had somehow never read a history book. If it helps I read a A Short History of the World (1922)* H.G.Wells back in about 1974 or so .. and a few hundred others since. While I appreciate your unsolicited advice here and the spirit in which you offer it it does rather appear to be directed at somebody entirely not me. Perhaps you're prone to rush into responses without engaging any thought or contemplation? * That and his The Outline of History weren't too bad for 1920|1930's British PoV History, not definitive nor authorative but not too shabby - Arnold J. Toynbee defended them along the lines of decent for the general public.
        bamboozled 2y ago
        Hitler, armed with his newfound celebrity, began furiously campaigning. During the 1920s, Hitler and the Nazis ran on a platform consisting of anti-communism, antisemitism, and ultranationalism. Nazi party leaders vociferously criticized the ruling democratic government and the Treaty of Versailles, while proselytizing their desire to turn Germany into a world power. At this time, most Germans were indifferent to Hitler's rhetoric as the German economy was beginning to recover in large part due to loans from the United States under the Dawes Plan".[1] " while proselytizing their desire to turn Germany into a world power.", to "Make America great again". Does this sound familiar to you? I guess you think I'm being hyperbolic but honestly, there is a LOT of similarities with these two stories and the messianic following Trump has. Why do you think anyone telling the level of lies he tells, and taking the actions he is taking would just joke about "being a dictator for a day". He acts in bad faith, permanently. He lies endlessly. He isn't planning to just be a nice old funny president, that's for certain. Sorry but I could only assume you're unfamiliar with some basic history if you think Americans need not be concerned or this is some unique situation in history, this is fall of the Roman Empire level stuff, it's happened hundreds of time before. It's started to look like the only outlier here would be if he somehow loses and is fired form his position in the republican party. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler%27s_rise_to_power https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolf_Hitler%27s_rise_to_power
    - kernal 2y ago
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      - OKRainbowKid 2y ago
        McCarthyism really did a number on people.
    - ElectronCharge 2y ago
      It was actually a reference to executive orders being dictatorial. Both BHO and JRB have referred to them that way when convenient, the used them liberally (sorry/not sorry) once they were able to. Some of JRB’s first actions were executive orders that undid a lot of DJT’s border security measures, for instance.
- kernal 2y ago
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glenndebacker 2y ago
You should really read the book “How democracies die” for some insights and signals how it begins. Maybe it’s because I’m from Europe and there are numerous examples (Germany, Spain, Italy,…) how it starts, but there is no single bone in my body that does not think that Trump has the same traits. (Not that the solution should be violence) And the problem is that “the shining city upon the hill” is dimming and it’s becoming more and more a bad example for other countries. I never ever would think to live in an age that political parties would question if we should throw basic human rights in the trash while dealing with people we don’t want.
- aydyn 2y ago
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- defrost 2y ago
  > You should really read the book Why would you assume I haven't read it? Any reason I should reread a book that was published some 36 years after I studied politics in university ? Again, Trump literally said that he woud only be a dictator for a day .. which I personally think sums him up beautifully and encapsulates just about everything you need to know about the man; starting with an over inflated sense of time management. I blame the US system TBH, it was a shining star 300 years ago but heed was not given to Franklin's advice on tending it with care and avoiding despots. Maybe it's because I'm from a politic system penned by grandparents who looked at the flaws (as they saw them) of both Washington and Westminster and created a Washminster hybrid (still flawed, but fresher and so far better tended).
  - meiraleal 2y ago
    How does it work to be a dictator for only a day? Are you ok with that like if kamala harris could be a dictator for a day if the democrats win?
- kernal 2y ago
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