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>or, and more than likely, people want guns to ensure they’re not the victim, given police only respond to crimes that have already happened and rarely prevent

>or, and more than likely, people want guns to ensure they’re not the victim, given police only respond to crimes that have already happened and rarely prevent crimes. That is you in another comment in this post. You are literally describing living in fear. For most people in the west the worry about needing to protect themselves never factors into their life it just isn't something we need to worry about, this constant fear is a distinctly American issue.

lobocinza 2y ago
If you consider South America to be America, I can say that Brazilians constantly live in fear despite strict gun control laws and criminals have no trouble obtaining whatever they want.
- sanswork 2y ago
  I'm referring to western countries above.
  - lobocinza 2y ago
    You are cherry-picking data.
    - sanswork 2y ago
      Yes, otherwise I wouldn't have specified western countries. I'm comparing like for like.
tekknik 2y ago
What did I say about fear? Did you confuse posters?
- sanswork 2y ago
  >people want guns to ensure they’re not the victim
  - tekknik 2y ago
    And you immediately think guns are the only thing that can make someone a victim? You’re uneducated on this subject and using a democratic attempt on a former republican presidents life to try yet again for more gun control. do you think you’re going to be successful?
    - sanswork 2y ago
      Of course I don't think guns are the only thing that can make someone a victim, but I don't think gun culture is helping anyone from being a victim. If you live your whole life afraid of being a victim of violent crime you are a victim whether or not anyone ever attacks you. That is a sad existence and it exists purely because of your fear based culture. No, it won't be successful because America has shown time and time again it would rather watch classrooms of children be murdered than give up their guns. You'd rather have to think about mass shootings every time you go to the mall or church than give up any freedoms around your guns. You don't get over that kind of fear in a generation or two.
      - tekknik 2y ago
        how about the near 70k justifiable homicides per year from guns? there’s 70k victims per year disproving your point. you don’t get it. you want to ban guns and save 15k lives a year, yet drinking takes 140k lives a year. why aren’t you scared of alcohol? you have a higher chance of dying from a drunk driver or drinking yourself than being shot. so why don’t you focus on saving more lives?
        sanswork 2y ago
        Sounds like a made up number. According to https://vpc.org/studies/justifiable23.pdf https://vpc.org/studies/justifiable23.pdf the FBI said there were 316 "justifiable homicides" in 2019. >why aren’t you scared of alcohol? Why do you assume I'm not? Alcohol is horrible, it's the only drug that isn't just socially acceptable but often feels socially required despite its dangers. >so why don’t you focus on saving more lives? I'm a human, I'm able to focus on multiple things in my life.
lobocinza 2y ago
So those that buy drills are constantly living in fear that they have to drill a hole in a wall? Maybe they buy because: 1- they want to prepared to an eventuality; 2- it's a cool tool to have.
- sanswork 2y ago
  If you say "I bought a drill because I'm afraid one day I'll need to make a hole in the wall" then yes it is fair to say that person is living in fear of needing to make a hole in the wall. If you say I bought a gun because I'm afraid of being a victim of crime then you are spending your whole life in fear of crime. It is hard for people who grow up in cultures like that to understand but most people in rich western countries don't live in fear of crime like that. It just isn't something most of us think about at all.
  - tekknik 2y ago
    how about if you buy a gun because a family member was murdered and lefties decided to put them in jail for life instead of ending theirs, leaving the chance for escape to kill more family members. Is it then ok to defend yourself or should that person still be a victim because 12 people are too scared to walk outside because of a mental illness?
    - sanswork 2y ago
      So living in fear.
      - tekknik 2y ago
        Yes but not of guns. See that’s called hoplophobia and would be irrational considering they can be used for protection. It’s also a mental disorder caused by environmental effects, so there’s that. So, I am scared of being a victim especially with criminals being released from jail at an alarming rate. But with a gun it’s less of a concern. But again, the inflammatory rhetoric, your bigotry around guns, is what divided the nation enough to cause this today.

lobocinza 2y ago

If you consider South America to be America, I can say that Brazilians constantly live in fear despite strict gun control laws and criminals have no trouble obtaining whatever they want.

sanswork 2y ago
I'm referring to western countries above.
- lobocinza 2y ago
  You are cherry-picking data.
  - sanswork 2y ago
    Yes, otherwise I wouldn't have specified western countries. I'm comparing like for like.

tekknik 2y ago

What did I say about fear? Did you confuse posters?

sanswork 2y ago
>people want guns to ensure they’re not the victim
- tekknik 2y ago
  And you immediately think guns are the only thing that can make someone a victim? You’re uneducated on this subject and using a democratic attempt on a former republican presidents life to try yet again for more gun control. do you think you’re going to be successful?
  - sanswork 2y ago
    Of course I don't think guns are the only thing that can make someone a victim, but I don't think gun culture is helping anyone from being a victim. If you live your whole life afraid of being a victim of violent crime you are a victim whether or not anyone ever attacks you. That is a sad existence and it exists purely because of your fear based culture. No, it won't be successful because America has shown time and time again it would rather watch classrooms of children be murdered than give up their guns. You'd rather have to think about mass shootings every time you go to the mall or church than give up any freedoms around your guns. You don't get over that kind of fear in a generation or two.
    - tekknik 2y ago
      how about the near 70k justifiable homicides per year from guns? there’s 70k victims per year disproving your point. you don’t get it. you want to ban guns and save 15k lives a year, yet drinking takes 140k lives a year. why aren’t you scared of alcohol? you have a higher chance of dying from a drunk driver or drinking yourself than being shot. so why don’t you focus on saving more lives?
      - sanswork 2y ago
        Sounds like a made up number. According to https://vpc.org/studies/justifiable23.pdf https://vpc.org/studies/justifiable23.pdf the FBI said there were 316 "justifiable homicides" in 2019. >why aren’t you scared of alcohol? Why do you assume I'm not? Alcohol is horrible, it's the only drug that isn't just socially acceptable but often feels socially required despite its dangers. >so why don’t you focus on saving more lives? I'm a human, I'm able to focus on multiple things in my life.

lobocinza 2y ago

So those that buy drills are constantly living in fear that they have to drill a hole in a wall? Maybe they buy because: 1- they want to prepared to an eventuality; 2- it's a cool tool to have.

sanswork 2y ago
If you say "I bought a drill because I'm afraid one day I'll need to make a hole in the wall" then yes it is fair to say that person is living in fear of needing to make a hole in the wall. If you say I bought a gun because I'm afraid of being a victim of crime then you are spending your whole life in fear of crime. It is hard for people who grow up in cultures like that to understand but most people in rich western countries don't live in fear of crime like that. It just isn't something most of us think about at all.
- tekknik 2y ago
  how about if you buy a gun because a family member was murdered and lefties decided to put them in jail for life instead of ending theirs, leaving the chance for escape to kill more family members. Is it then ok to defend yourself or should that person still be a victim because 12 people are too scared to walk outside because of a mental illness?
  - sanswork 2y ago
    So living in fear.
    - tekknik 2y ago
      Yes but not of guns. See that’s called hoplophobia and would be irrational considering they can be used for protection. It’s also a mental disorder caused by environmental effects, so there’s that. So, I am scared of being a victim especially with criminals being released from jail at an alarming rate. But with a gun it’s less of a concern. But again, the inflammatory rhetoric, your bigotry around guns, is what divided the nation enough to cause this today.