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The whole country is in a constant state of fear because of guns. Almost every justification I've seen is about a right to protect yourselves from others with

The whole country is in a constant state of fear because of guns. Almost every justification I've seen is about a right to protect yourselves from others with guns but you can't seem to understand that most people in western countries never have to worry about this. I don't ever leave my house worried about being shot or being in a position where a gun would help. You keep adding more guns talking about how you need them to protect yourselves from the other guns and things just keep getting worse and worse. You're on a downward spiral of gun violence and fear. You talk about wealth but it's not evenly distributed at all and there is a reason your richest live in walled off communities and your poorest die early due to lack of access to preventative medicine and quality nutrition. Wealth means little when you live with a constant threat of violence, it's like being a billionaire in China or Russia.

tekknik 2y ago
> The whole country is in a constant state of fear because of guns. Most of us are not living in fear. If you say you rarely have to protect yourself then you’re defeating your own argument. the problem is the rhetoric from left media. they need to calm down and quit driving deranged people to action.
- sanswork 2y ago
  >or, and more than likely, people want guns to ensure they’re not the victim, given police only respond to crimes that have already happened and rarely prevent crimes. That is you in another comment in this post. You are literally describing living in fear. For most people in the west the worry about needing to protect themselves never factors into their life it just isn't something we need to worry about, this constant fear is a distinctly American issue.
  - lobocinza 2y ago
    If you consider South America to be America, I can say that Brazilians constantly live in fear despite strict gun control laws and criminals have no trouble obtaining whatever they want.
    - sanswork 2y ago
      I'm referring to western countries above.
      - lobocinza 2y ago
        You are cherry-picking data.
        sanswork 2y ago
        Yes, otherwise I wouldn't have specified western countries. I'm comparing like for like.
  - tekknik 2y ago
    What did I say about fear? Did you confuse posters?
    - sanswork 2y ago
      >people want guns to ensure they’re not the victim
      - tekknik 2y ago
        And you immediately think guns are the only thing that can make someone a victim? You’re uneducated on this subject and using a democratic attempt on a former republican presidents life to try yet again for more gun control. do you think you’re going to be successful?
        sanswork 2y ago
        Of course I don't think guns are the only thing that can make someone a victim, but I don't think gun culture is helping anyone from being a victim. If you live your whole life afraid of being a victim of violent crime you are a victim whether or not anyone ever attacks you. That is a sad existence and it exists purely because of your fear based culture. No, it won't be successful because America has shown time and time again it would rather watch classrooms of children be murdered than give up their guns. You'd rather have to think about mass shootings every time you go to the mall or church than give up any freedoms around your guns. You don't get over that kind of fear in a generation or two.
        tekknik 2y ago
        how about the near 70k justifiable homicides per year from guns? there’s 70k victims per year disproving your point. you don’t get it. you want to ban guns and save 15k lives a year, yet drinking takes 140k lives a year. why aren’t you scared of alcohol? you have a higher chance of dying from a drunk driver or drinking yourself than being shot. so why don’t you focus on saving more lives?
  - lobocinza 2y ago
    So those that buy drills are constantly living in fear that they have to drill a hole in a wall? Maybe they buy because: 1- they want to prepared to an eventuality; 2- it's a cool tool to have.
    - sanswork 2y ago
      If you say "I bought a drill because I'm afraid one day I'll need to make a hole in the wall" then yes it is fair to say that person is living in fear of needing to make a hole in the wall. If you say I bought a gun because I'm afraid of being a victim of crime then you are spending your whole life in fear of crime. It is hard for people who grow up in cultures like that to understand but most people in rich western countries don't live in fear of crime like that. It just isn't something most of us think about at all.
      - tekknik 2y ago
        how about if you buy a gun because a family member was murdered and lefties decided to put them in jail for life instead of ending theirs, leaving the chance for escape to kill more family members. Is it then ok to defend yourself or should that person still be a victim because 12 people are too scared to walk outside because of a mental illness?
        sanswork 2y ago
        So living in fear.
        tekknik 2y ago
        Yes but not of guns. See that’s called hoplophobia and would be irrational considering they can be used for protection. It’s also a mental disorder caused by environmental effects, so there’s that. So, I am scared of being a victim especially with criminals being released from jail at an alarming rate. But with a gun it’s less of a concern. But again, the inflammatory rhetoric, your bigotry around guns, is what divided the nation enough to cause this today.
sbuttgereit 2y ago
> The whole country is in a constant state of fear because of guns. No, we're not. Nor has it been during my entire life. This sounds like the kind of stereotype only someone that doesn't live here believes... the kind of stereotyping that allows you to say, "we're so much better than them!" Oh sure, there are some that are and there are some places, though relatively few, where you probably ought to be. But if gun availability is the root of the problem as you seem to be suggesting, you simply aren't thinking very deeply about the reality in context with history. Guns are more regulated now in US than at any other time in its history (OK, given some modest ebb and flow in laws passed and litigation over the past few decades). But do you really think that during its entire 248 year history the entire country has been in a state of constant fear? If increased gun prohibitions are the answer to lawlessness certainly that fear must have been terrifically more pronounced in the past and we should already have a highly regulated gun ownership regime. I find it highly unlikely that my ancestor's ancestors were shaken to their core for fear of being shot (and some of my family goes back to the 1850s wild west in Utah!) Gun availability in the US is simply not a recent phenomena. They use to teach shooting courses in some public high schools no less. Suggesting that after a hundred years of ever increasing gun regulation that somehow guns are the problem is just silly.
- sanswork 2y ago
  It is hard to see when you live in the culture but as someone who lives outside it but has spent a lot of time living in the US you really are constantly in fear of violence. You can even see it in the comments by people here when gun restrictions are suggested. So yes, for the whole history of america you lot have been in a state of perpetual fear of things you believe your guns will protect you from which have only shown to be made worse by your dependence on guns.

tekknik 2y ago

> The whole country is in a constant state of fear because of guns. Most of us are not living in fear. If you say you rarely have to protect yourself then you’re defeating your own argument. the problem is the rhetoric from left media. they need to calm down and quit driving deranged people to action.

sanswork 2y ago
>or, and more than likely, people want guns to ensure they’re not the victim, given police only respond to crimes that have already happened and rarely prevent crimes. That is you in another comment in this post. You are literally describing living in fear. For most people in the west the worry about needing to protect themselves never factors into their life it just isn't something we need to worry about, this constant fear is a distinctly American issue.
- lobocinza 2y ago
  If you consider South America to be America, I can say that Brazilians constantly live in fear despite strict gun control laws and criminals have no trouble obtaining whatever they want.
  - sanswork 2y ago
    I'm referring to western countries above.
    - lobocinza 2y ago
      You are cherry-picking data.
      - sanswork 2y ago
        Yes, otherwise I wouldn't have specified western countries. I'm comparing like for like.
- tekknik 2y ago
  What did I say about fear? Did you confuse posters?
  - sanswork 2y ago
    >people want guns to ensure they’re not the victim
    - tekknik 2y ago
      And you immediately think guns are the only thing that can make someone a victim? You’re uneducated on this subject and using a democratic attempt on a former republican presidents life to try yet again for more gun control. do you think you’re going to be successful?
      - sanswork 2y ago
        Of course I don't think guns are the only thing that can make someone a victim, but I don't think gun culture is helping anyone from being a victim. If you live your whole life afraid of being a victim of violent crime you are a victim whether or not anyone ever attacks you. That is a sad existence and it exists purely because of your fear based culture. No, it won't be successful because America has shown time and time again it would rather watch classrooms of children be murdered than give up their guns. You'd rather have to think about mass shootings every time you go to the mall or church than give up any freedoms around your guns. You don't get over that kind of fear in a generation or two.
        tekknik 2y ago
        how about the near 70k justifiable homicides per year from guns? there’s 70k victims per year disproving your point. you don’t get it. you want to ban guns and save 15k lives a year, yet drinking takes 140k lives a year. why aren’t you scared of alcohol? you have a higher chance of dying from a drunk driver or drinking yourself than being shot. so why don’t you focus on saving more lives?
- lobocinza 2y ago
  So those that buy drills are constantly living in fear that they have to drill a hole in a wall? Maybe they buy because: 1- they want to prepared to an eventuality; 2- it's a cool tool to have.
  - sanswork 2y ago
    If you say "I bought a drill because I'm afraid one day I'll need to make a hole in the wall" then yes it is fair to say that person is living in fear of needing to make a hole in the wall. If you say I bought a gun because I'm afraid of being a victim of crime then you are spending your whole life in fear of crime. It is hard for people who grow up in cultures like that to understand but most people in rich western countries don't live in fear of crime like that. It just isn't something most of us think about at all.
    - tekknik 2y ago
      how about if you buy a gun because a family member was murdered and lefties decided to put them in jail for life instead of ending theirs, leaving the chance for escape to kill more family members. Is it then ok to defend yourself or should that person still be a victim because 12 people are too scared to walk outside because of a mental illness?
      - sanswork 2y ago
        So living in fear.
        tekknik 2y ago
        Yes but not of guns. See that’s called hoplophobia and would be irrational considering they can be used for protection. It’s also a mental disorder caused by environmental effects, so there’s that. So, I am scared of being a victim especially with criminals being released from jail at an alarming rate. But with a gun it’s less of a concern. But again, the inflammatory rhetoric, your bigotry around guns, is what divided the nation enough to cause this today.

sbuttgereit 2y ago

> The whole country is in a constant state of fear because of guns. No, we're not. Nor has it been during my entire life. This sounds like the kind of stereotype only someone that doesn't live here believes... the kind of stereotyping that allows you to say, "we're so much better than them!" Oh sure, there are some that are and there are some places, though relatively few, where you probably ought to be. But if gun availability is the root of the problem as you seem to be suggesting, you simply aren't thinking very deeply about the reality in context with history. Guns are more regulated now in US than at any other time in its history (OK, given some modest ebb and flow in laws passed and litigation over the past few decades). But do you really think that during its entire 248 year history the entire country has been in a state of constant fear? If increased gun prohibitions are the answer to lawlessness certainly that fear must have been terrifically more pronounced in the past and we should already have a highly regulated gun ownership regime. I find it highly unlikely that my ancestor's ancestors were shaken to their core for fear of being shot (and some of my family goes back to the 1850s wild west in Utah!) Gun availability in the US is simply not a recent phenomena. They use to teach shooting courses in some public high schools no less. Suggesting that after a hundred years of ever increasing gun regulation that somehow guns are the problem is just silly.

sanswork 2y ago
It is hard to see when you live in the culture but as someone who lives outside it but has spent a lot of time living in the US you really are constantly in fear of violence. You can even see it in the comments by people here when gun restrictions are suggested. So yes, for the whole history of america you lot have been in a state of perpetual fear of things you believe your guns will protect you from which have only shown to be made worse by your dependence on guns.