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why are these being flagged on hackernews? i understand it's highly controversial, but this is literally a historic moment unfolding before us

oska 2y ago
HN isn't the right place for this discussion and that is made explicitly clear in the Guidelines [1] : > Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, or celebrities, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Videos of pratfalls or disasters, or cute animal pictures. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic. I'm here browsing the thread out of curiosity but I'm also onboard with it being flagged. There's not going to be any shortage of other places to discuss this (historic) event. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html
- ImJamal 2y ago
  Seems kind of weird since the Japanese guy (president or prime minister or whatever) getting assassinated didn't get flagged.
  - skissane 2y ago
    From memory, it actually did get flagged, but then dang made a judgement call to manually unflag it
- skissane 2y ago
  In the past, dang has occasionally allowed mainstream politics stories on the grounds that they are major historical events. That's why he allowed the assassination of the Japanese Prime Minister. I think the attempted assassination of Donald Trump is an event of a similar nature.
  - oska 2y ago
    I'm obviously not speaking for dang (or for anyone who flagged the thread) but a successful assassination is on a different level to an attempted assassination. I think younger people are mostly all aware of the assassination of JFK in 1963 but probably lots are not aware that there was an attempted assassination of Ronald Reagan in 1981 (which also came close to succeeding; closer even than this recent event). That's because the attempted assassination of Reagan had far less contemporary and historical impact than the successful assassination of JFK. If the attempt on Trump's life had been successful a thread probably would stay up (my guess only). That's because there would have been HN on-topic things for us all to consider after such an event, including possible further crackdowns on internet privacy, further restrictions on free movement, free speech, etc.
    - skissane 2y ago
      dang has spoken: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40963142 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40963142 He would have unflagged it manually, because in his view it is significant enough a political story to be discussed here. The reason he didn't was he was away and so didn't know about the story or its flagging. He has manually unflagged it now
- aaron695 2y ago
  [dead]
- mvdtnz 2y ago
  HN has often allowed important news stories about Trump. Some of the most popular ones include his inauguration (2,215 comments), Facebook's suspension of Trump (1,293 comments), his first electoral victory (1,708 comments) ands his firing of FBI director Comey (297 comments). Does his assassination attempt not rise to this level?
- swat535 2y ago
  Why are you onboard with it being flagged? I think this event is very well worth discussing. I constantly see a steady stream of political news here, including Israel and Gaza.
paradite 2y ago
I think we need to the set the bar for historic moment very high for HN to not get flooded. Trump won election: yes. Trump survives attempted assassination: no. Obviously it would be historic if the outcome of assassination is different.
dang 2y ago
People flag political stories, which makes sense for most political stories as the site guidelines explain. I've turned the flags off this one now. It's late for that, I know, but I was away over the weekend and didn't even hear about this story until I got back a few minutes ago.
- klyrs 2y ago
  Ugh, what a welcome home
- __rito__ 2y ago
  Hey dang, could a confirmation dialogue be added to confirm flagging of a story? I unintentionally flag stories, but then go to flagged submissions to unflag them manually. This happens when I am on my phone.
  - defrost 2y ago
    If you're serious, write an email as he does read those (see his profile). @dang does not work, there's no notification, "hey dang" equally doesn't work and there's no guarentee that every comment or even just the replies to dang comments will get read.
  - dang 2y ago
    Yes, it's on my list to do this, at least on mobile. (defrost is correct about how to contact me but I did see your message semi-=randomly)
- ComplexSystems 2y ago
  Were you taking a vacation in a Faraday cage?!
  - dang 2y ago
    I wasn't taking a vacation, but you could say I was in a cage.
    - 2y ago

oska 2y ago

HN isn't the right place for this discussion and that is made explicitly clear in the Guidelines [1] : > Off-Topic: Most stories about politics, or crime, or sports, or celebrities, unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. Videos of pratfalls or disasters, or cute animal pictures. If they'd cover it on TV news, it's probably off-topic. I'm here browsing the thread out of curiosity but I'm also onboard with it being flagged. There's not going to be any shortage of other places to discuss this (historic) event. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

ImJamal 2y ago
Seems kind of weird since the Japanese guy (president or prime minister or whatever) getting assassinated didn't get flagged.
- skissane 2y ago
  From memory, it actually did get flagged, but then dang made a judgement call to manually unflag it
skissane 2y ago
In the past, dang has occasionally allowed mainstream politics stories on the grounds that they are major historical events. That's why he allowed the assassination of the Japanese Prime Minister. I think the attempted assassination of Donald Trump is an event of a similar nature.
- oska 2y ago
  I'm obviously not speaking for dang (or for anyone who flagged the thread) but a successful assassination is on a different level to an attempted assassination. I think younger people are mostly all aware of the assassination of JFK in 1963 but probably lots are not aware that there was an attempted assassination of Ronald Reagan in 1981 (which also came close to succeeding; closer even than this recent event). That's because the attempted assassination of Reagan had far less contemporary and historical impact than the successful assassination of JFK. If the attempt on Trump's life had been successful a thread probably would stay up (my guess only). That's because there would have been HN on-topic things for us all to consider after such an event, including possible further crackdowns on internet privacy, further restrictions on free movement, free speech, etc.
  - skissane 2y ago
    dang has spoken: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40963142 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40963142 He would have unflagged it manually, because in his view it is significant enough a political story to be discussed here. The reason he didn't was he was away and so didn't know about the story or its flagging. He has manually unflagged it now
aaron695 2y ago
[dead]
mvdtnz 2y ago
HN has often allowed important news stories about Trump. Some of the most popular ones include his inauguration (2,215 comments), Facebook's suspension of Trump (1,293 comments), his first electoral victory (1,708 comments) ands his firing of FBI director Comey (297 comments). Does his assassination attempt not rise to this level?
swat535 2y ago
Why are you onboard with it being flagged? I think this event is very well worth discussing. I constantly see a steady stream of political news here, including Israel and Gaza.

paradite 2y ago

I think we need to the set the bar for historic moment very high for HN to not get flooded. Trump won election: yes. Trump survives attempted assassination: no. Obviously it would be historic if the outcome of assassination is different.

dang 2y ago

People flag political stories, which makes sense for most political stories as the site guidelines explain. I've turned the flags off this one now. It's late for that, I know, but I was away over the weekend and didn't even hear about this story until I got back a few minutes ago.

klyrs 2y ago
Ugh, what a welcome home
__rito__ 2y ago
Hey dang, could a confirmation dialogue be added to confirm flagging of a story? I unintentionally flag stories, but then go to flagged submissions to unflag them manually. This happens when I am on my phone.
- defrost 2y ago
  If you're serious, write an email as he does read those (see his profile). @dang does not work, there's no notification, "hey dang" equally doesn't work and there's no guarentee that every comment or even just the replies to dang comments will get read.
- dang 2y ago
  Yes, it's on my list to do this, at least on mobile. (defrost is correct about how to contact me but I did see your message semi-=randomly)
ComplexSystems 2y ago
Were you taking a vacation in a Faraday cage?!
- dang 2y ago
  I wasn't taking a vacation, but you could say I was in a cage.
  - 2y ago