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If you look through history at insurrections, whatever January 6 was, it doesn’t seem to be in that category. If it is in the same category, it’s one of the lam

If you look through history at insurrections, whatever January 6 was, it doesn’t seem to be in that category. If it is in the same category, it’s one of the lamest, most peaceful, bungled insurrections on the books. It looks more like a rowdy protest, and that’s probably what it was.

meiraleal 2y ago
A lame insurrection is still an insurrection. When was the last time the US Capitol was stormed by organized revolted people?
- typeofhuman 2y ago
  April 9, 2024 https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2024/04/09/israel-gaza-war-protest-cafeteria-dirksen-senate-capitol-dc/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2024/04/09/israel-ga...
  - klyrs 2y ago
    The Senate Cafeteria Insurrection of '24? No, blockading the lunch counter doesn't compare to violently interrupting the count of electoral votes. They didn't even beat up any cops. They didn't "storm" the building, they orderly unfurled their protest signs and peacefully got arrested.
    - typeofhuman 2y ago
      You're adding new conditions so that you don't have to accept my answer. Your original question: > When was the last time the US Capitol was stormed by organized revolted people Want more? October 2023. Protest broke out causing police to shut down roads outside the Capitol. And they did ASSAULT COPS. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2023/10/19/israel-hamas-protesters-swarm-house-buidling-washington-arrests/71237857007/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2023/10/19/israel... https://nypost.com/2023/10/18/chaos-erupts-as-pro-palestinian-protesters-take-to-the-capitol-at-least-three-arrested/ https://nypost.com/2023/10/18/chaos-erupts-as-pro-palestinia...
      - typeofhuman 2y ago
        Downvoted for providing you the evidence you asked for. Cognitive dissonance at its finest.
- proc0 2y ago
  Do you really think they were going to take over the government if they took over the building or stopped whatever process was going on? Why? The military would have taken back that building in 10 seconds, and the process can be postponed till the next day or the next week. Nothing was at danger, that is not how a country functions. You need an armed militia or at least half of the military to take over.
  - Timon3 2y ago
    > Do you really think they were going to take over the government if they took over the building or stopped whatever process was going on? Why? No, and I don't know anybody who thinks like this, because it's a misrepresentation of the insurrection that happened. The danger was never that some random person sits down in a government chair and suddenly becomes the new government. > The military would have taken back that building in 10 seconds, and the process can be postponed till the next day or the next week. And that's what the republicans counted on - they wanted the election process to be interrupted, which would (according to their reading) have allowed Pence to count the fake electors they provided. And who could have stopped them? The supreme court they stacked? That's the insurrection. Do you disagree with any of this? All of it is quite well documented. > Nothing was at danger, that is not how a country functions. You need an armed militia or at least half of the military to take over. If not for the actions of a few individuals, the sitting president would have literally overturned the election results. That's absolutely a huge danger to the country. You don't need an armed militia if half the politicians are working together with the insurrectionists.
    - proc0 2y ago
      > they wanted the election process to be interrupted, which would (according to their reading) have allowed Pence to count the fake electors they provided. That's the insurrection. I'm trying to understand, you are saying that the military would have showed up and forced Pence to overturn the election? Or what did I miss? I'm saying even if the protesters would have taken the building, the national guard takes it back immediately, and the electors get certified the next day in another building. In this scenario the national guard is not joining in on the effort in any way. It would just delay it. I could see how it could be a real threat to the election if there was proof of a large coordinated effort with firearms, by which I mean people conspired to actually takeover the building and launched a plan to do it, as oppose to a large mob with bad actors.
JasserInicide 2y ago
Yup. It was just a bunch of people who just wanted to show up and say they were there and basically just pushed their luck with how far they could get into the Capitol building. There was little if any organization to it all. It was not the murderous democracy-threatening insurrection as the Democrats have repeatedly said it was. And as another poster said further up, their years of overblown fearmongering is what led to what happened today.
- trealira 2y ago
  That's not true; there was a great deal of planning by the Proud Boys and the Oath Keepers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planning_of_the_January_6_United_States_Capitol_attack https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planning_of_the_January_6_Unit...
  - proc0 2y ago
    They were in the minority of the crowd, and I think this is supported by how many people were charged with conspiracy (not to mention how many were charged with anything other than trespassing).
  - Blackstrat 2y ago
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    - PicassoCTs 2y ago
      There are no conspiracies. None. Everything comes out to daylight. Ever faster. What you see, is what you got. There is no backroom plot. Just bumbling idiots and "great-man" captains in operetta uniforms, singing arias on how they control the world, while there steering wheels are attached to nothing. All you have, is the species as is, as it becomes when exposed to a environment that is hostile to the basic things holding society together. Slurped for the nutrients by meta-organisms, the great stomach of society heaves as the still alive things inside, fight the lining and each other to get out of the acid.
bravetraveler 2y ago
People died at that 'rowdy protest', why are you downplaying this?
- throwaway4aday 2y ago
  Why were the deaths at all the other rowdy protests downplayed?
  - bravetraveler 2y ago
    ... what[about]? I don't have the preconditioning, information, or involvement this question relies on. People dying as part of 'protest'/civil unrest/whatever is disgusting. It shouldn't be downplayed. My argument/point is that what pulled me in nears propaganda. The same sense I get here. Humanity, please. Jan 6th was a bit beyond what was stated, is all. Not interested in seeing how deep the rabbit hole goes
pvaldes 2y ago
> it’s one of the lamest, most peaceful, bungled insurrections on the books Some people died that day But the real problem is to miss the multilayered nature of this operations.
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meiraleal 2y ago

A lame insurrection is still an insurrection. When was the last time the US Capitol was stormed by organized revolted people?

typeofhuman 2y ago
April 9, 2024 https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2024/04/09/israel-gaza-war-protest-cafeteria-dirksen-senate-capitol-dc/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2024/04/09/israel-ga...
- klyrs 2y ago
  The Senate Cafeteria Insurrection of '24? No, blockading the lunch counter doesn't compare to violently interrupting the count of electoral votes. They didn't even beat up any cops. They didn't "storm" the building, they orderly unfurled their protest signs and peacefully got arrested.
  - typeofhuman 2y ago
    You're adding new conditions so that you don't have to accept my answer. Your original question: > When was the last time the US Capitol was stormed by organized revolted people Want more? October 2023. Protest broke out causing police to shut down roads outside the Capitol. And they did ASSAULT COPS. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2023/10/19/israel-hamas-protesters-swarm-house-buidling-washington-arrests/71237857007/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2023/10/19/israel... https://nypost.com/2023/10/18/chaos-erupts-as-pro-palestinian-protesters-take-to-the-capitol-at-least-three-arrested/ https://nypost.com/2023/10/18/chaos-erupts-as-pro-palestinia...
    - typeofhuman 2y ago
      Downvoted for providing you the evidence you asked for. Cognitive dissonance at its finest.
proc0 2y ago
Do you really think they were going to take over the government if they took over the building or stopped whatever process was going on? Why? The military would have taken back that building in 10 seconds, and the process can be postponed till the next day or the next week. Nothing was at danger, that is not how a country functions. You need an armed militia or at least half of the military to take over.
- Timon3 2y ago
  > Do you really think they were going to take over the government if they took over the building or stopped whatever process was going on? Why? No, and I don't know anybody who thinks like this, because it's a misrepresentation of the insurrection that happened. The danger was never that some random person sits down in a government chair and suddenly becomes the new government. > The military would have taken back that building in 10 seconds, and the process can be postponed till the next day or the next week. And that's what the republicans counted on - they wanted the election process to be interrupted, which would (according to their reading) have allowed Pence to count the fake electors they provided. And who could have stopped them? The supreme court they stacked? That's the insurrection. Do you disagree with any of this? All of it is quite well documented. > Nothing was at danger, that is not how a country functions. You need an armed militia or at least half of the military to take over. If not for the actions of a few individuals, the sitting president would have literally overturned the election results. That's absolutely a huge danger to the country. You don't need an armed militia if half the politicians are working together with the insurrectionists.
  - proc0 2y ago
    > they wanted the election process to be interrupted, which would (according to their reading) have allowed Pence to count the fake electors they provided. That's the insurrection. I'm trying to understand, you are saying that the military would have showed up and forced Pence to overturn the election? Or what did I miss? I'm saying even if the protesters would have taken the building, the national guard takes it back immediately, and the electors get certified the next day in another building. In this scenario the national guard is not joining in on the effort in any way. It would just delay it. I could see how it could be a real threat to the election if there was proof of a large coordinated effort with firearms, by which I mean people conspired to actually takeover the building and launched a plan to do it, as oppose to a large mob with bad actors.

JasserInicide 2y ago

Yup. It was just a bunch of people who just wanted to show up and say they were there and basically just pushed their luck with how far they could get into the Capitol building. There was little if any organization to it all. It was not the murderous democracy-threatening insurrection as the Democrats have repeatedly said it was. And as another poster said further up, their years of overblown fearmongering is what led to what happened today.

trealira 2y ago
That's not true; there was a great deal of planning by the Proud Boys and the Oath Keepers. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planning_of_the_January_6_United_States_Capitol_attack https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Planning_of_the_January_6_Unit...
- proc0 2y ago
  They were in the minority of the crowd, and I think this is supported by how many people were charged with conspiracy (not to mention how many were charged with anything other than trespassing).
- Blackstrat 2y ago
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  - PicassoCTs 2y ago
    There are no conspiracies. None. Everything comes out to daylight. Ever faster. What you see, is what you got. There is no backroom plot. Just bumbling idiots and "great-man" captains in operetta uniforms, singing arias on how they control the world, while there steering wheels are attached to nothing. All you have, is the species as is, as it becomes when exposed to a environment that is hostile to the basic things holding society together. Slurped for the nutrients by meta-organisms, the great stomach of society heaves as the still alive things inside, fight the lining and each other to get out of the acid.

bravetraveler 2y ago

People died at that 'rowdy protest', why are you downplaying this?

throwaway4aday 2y ago
Why were the deaths at all the other rowdy protests downplayed?
- bravetraveler 2y ago
  ... what[about]? I don't have the preconditioning, information, or involvement this question relies on. People dying as part of 'protest'/civil unrest/whatever is disgusting. It shouldn't be downplayed. My argument/point is that what pulled me in nears propaganda. The same sense I get here. Humanity, please. Jan 6th was a bit beyond what was stated, is all. Not interested in seeing how deep the rabbit hole goes

pvaldes 2y ago

> it’s one of the lamest, most peaceful, bungled insurrections on the books Some people died that day But the real problem is to miss the multilayered nature of this operations.

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