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Curious how the shooter missed though. And just, how they seem to miss quite often in general.

christophilus 2y ago
It’s probably not easy to take careful aim while in a large crowd without someone noticing— especially since there are skilled professionals whose only job is to watch for people taking careful aim…
- qup 2y ago
  Dude was on a roof. 400ft away
  - defrost 2y ago
    Less than 140 yards and missed? Firstly needs to learn how to engage in politics w/out a gun. Also needs to practice. Meanwhile, next door in Australia: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEY00iJv4CQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEY00iJv4CQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6KJM-MODME https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6KJM-MODME but we're just farmers.
    - Jensson 2y ago
      > Less than 140 yards and missed? Person aimed for the head, seems like he wasn't trained how to kill people. Anyway, the person knew they would die seconds later, heavy breathing makes it is massively harder to aim when you are nervous, then it is easy to miss a moving head at 140 yards.
      - chgs 2y ago
        Presumably Trump would have a vest on
        Jensson 2y ago
        Rifle rounds go straight through medium vests, you need a really heavy and bulky vest to stop them, Trump wouldn't wear one of those. The typical vests you see just stop low caliber bullets like pistols, and then you hope secret service can stop anyone with a rifle from getting a shot.
        chgs 2y ago
        The times I’ve worn vests I’ve had to have ceramic plates in for ak-47 style bullets, but I’d assume that the secret service would have something more fancy available.
        1992spacemovie 2y ago
        Nope. Thick layered ceramics are still pretty much the best stuff to stop high energy rounds. Got 2 sets of AR500 plates myself.
        AlgorithmicTime 2y ago
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        oceanplexian 2y ago
        There is actually now very expensive cutting edge stuff (FRAS) that’s flexible and can barely stop a 5.56 round, and i’d assume important people have whatever top secret upgrade exists for that, but that could be wrong.
    - spurgu 2y ago
      Difficult to practice with your head full of adrenaline.
      - defrost 2y ago
        The practice is there to help when your head's full of adrenaline.
        spurgu 2y ago
        That's fair, but it's only part of it. The issue of "stage fright" still exists and can't be mastered just by practicing your craft to proficiency in solitude. There are other practices, like literally going on stages (speaking, performing) and becoming used to the pressure, that would overlap. Hopefully I'm not giving useful tips to future assassins. :P
  - spookie 2y ago
    It was a kid out of highschool who had confronted a policeman just moments before. The guy was under a lot of pressure. You know he wasn't that well trained when you see that he killed a bystander.
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s1artibartfast 2y ago
shooting is quite difficult in real life.
ultimafan 2y ago
Anecdotally, it seems like many people seem to underestimate how difficult accurate shooting actually is. I genuinely can't count the number of times I've taken someone interested in shooting out to the range for their first time and they get dismayed when they can't place accurate shots even at a fairly close range (<25 meters), from a sitting position, with a rifle rest and being able to aim as long as they want with no stress or pressure before firing. The general pop culture opinion cultivated by movies, shows, video games, etc. seem to mislead a lot of people towards the idea that guns are just a "point and shoot" type of deal at any range in any situation. When the reality is like any other hobby it takes many many hours of practice and lots of $$$ worth of ammo to get to the point where you can consistently place shots on target at decent ranges and even then that's in a controlled environment with a paper target that doesn't move, no pressure on you, you're probably not firing standing up without a support etc.
- sanswork 2y ago
  They also forget all those times they've gotten excited in a confrontation and started to shake. Trying to be accurate is hard. Trying to do it while pumping with adrenaline changes it to basically impossible.
- frankzinger 2y ago
  A former sniper said on CNN that it should've been so easy to hit from such a short distance that it could only have been "divine intervention" that saved Trump.
  - griffzhowl 2y ago
    Apparently Crooks was rejected from his school rifle team for being such a bad shot they thought it would just be too dangerous if he participated...
  - ultimafan 2y ago
    A former sniper would also have a few hundred to a few thousand hours more range time than a random member of the public. I wouldn't doubt that "easy" for someone like that would have a much different meaning than for everyone else.
type0 2y ago
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comfysocks 2y ago
One report I heard said that someone (security?) went up to the roof to confront the shooter before he made his shots. The shooter pointed his rifle at this person who then backed down for cover. This might explain why the snipers got a fix on him so quickly. One ex-USMC commentator on Bloomberg said that the shot wouldn’t have been very difficult at that range. As to why he missed, maybe the shooter had to rush his shots since he was spotted. Maybe he was just a bad shot. It was explained that he wasn’t accepted into his high school shooting team. This is what I remember hearing while doom-browsing YouTube, so take with a grain of salt.

It’s probably not easy to take careful aim while in a large crowd without someone noticing— especially since there are skilled professionals whose only job is to watch for people taking careful aim…

qup 2y ago
Dude was on a roof. 400ft away
- defrost 2y ago
  Less than 140 yards and missed? Firstly needs to learn how to engage in politics w/out a gun. Also needs to practice. Meanwhile, next door in Australia: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEY00iJv4CQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEY00iJv4CQ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6KJM-MODME https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6KJM-MODME but we're just farmers.
  - Jensson 2y ago
    > Less than 140 yards and missed? Person aimed for the head, seems like he wasn't trained how to kill people. Anyway, the person knew they would die seconds later, heavy breathing makes it is massively harder to aim when you are nervous, then it is easy to miss a moving head at 140 yards.
    - chgs 2y ago
      Presumably Trump would have a vest on
      - Jensson 2y ago
        Rifle rounds go straight through medium vests, you need a really heavy and bulky vest to stop them, Trump wouldn't wear one of those. The typical vests you see just stop low caliber bullets like pistols, and then you hope secret service can stop anyone with a rifle from getting a shot.
        chgs 2y ago
        The times I’ve worn vests I’ve had to have ceramic plates in for ak-47 style bullets, but I’d assume that the secret service would have something more fancy available.
        1992spacemovie 2y ago
        Nope. Thick layered ceramics are still pretty much the best stuff to stop high energy rounds. Got 2 sets of AR500 plates myself.
        AlgorithmicTime 2y ago
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        oceanplexian 2y ago
        There is actually now very expensive cutting edge stuff (FRAS) that’s flexible and can barely stop a 5.56 round, and i’d assume important people have whatever top secret upgrade exists for that, but that could be wrong.
  - spurgu 2y ago
    Difficult to practice with your head full of adrenaline.
    - defrost 2y ago
      The practice is there to help when your head's full of adrenaline.
      - spurgu 2y ago
        That's fair, but it's only part of it. The issue of "stage fright" still exists and can't be mastered just by practicing your craft to proficiency in solitude. There are other practices, like literally going on stages (speaking, performing) and becoming used to the pressure, that would overlap. Hopefully I'm not giving useful tips to future assassins. :P
- spookie 2y ago
  It was a kid out of highschool who had confronted a policeman just moments before. The guy was under a lot of pressure. You know he wasn't that well trained when you see that he killed a bystander.

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s1artibartfast 2y ago

shooting is quite difficult in real life.

ultimafan 2y ago

Anecdotally, it seems like many people seem to underestimate how difficult accurate shooting actually is. I genuinely can't count the number of times I've taken someone interested in shooting out to the range for their first time and they get dismayed when they can't place accurate shots even at a fairly close range (<25 meters), from a sitting position, with a rifle rest and being able to aim as long as they want with no stress or pressure before firing. The general pop culture opinion cultivated by movies, shows, video games, etc. seem to mislead a lot of people towards the idea that guns are just a "point and shoot" type of deal at any range in any situation. When the reality is like any other hobby it takes many many hours of practice and lots of $$$ worth of ammo to get to the point where you can consistently place shots on target at decent ranges and even then that's in a controlled environment with a paper target that doesn't move, no pressure on you, you're probably not firing standing up without a support etc.

sanswork 2y ago
They also forget all those times they've gotten excited in a confrontation and started to shake. Trying to be accurate is hard. Trying to do it while pumping with adrenaline changes it to basically impossible.
frankzinger 2y ago
A former sniper said on CNN that it should've been so easy to hit from such a short distance that it could only have been "divine intervention" that saved Trump.
- griffzhowl 2y ago
  Apparently Crooks was rejected from his school rifle team for being such a bad shot they thought it would just be too dangerous if he participated...
- ultimafan 2y ago
  A former sniper would also have a few hundred to a few thousand hours more range time than a random member of the public. I wouldn't doubt that "easy" for someone like that would have a much different meaning than for everyone else.

type0 2y ago

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comfysocks 2y ago

One report I heard said that someone (security?) went up to the roof to confront the shooter before he made his shots. The shooter pointed his rifle at this person who then backed down for cover. This might explain why the snipers got a fix on him so quickly. One ex-USMC commentator on Bloomberg said that the shot wouldn’t have been very difficult at that range. As to why he missed, maybe the shooter had to rush his shots since he was spotted. Maybe he was just a bad shot. It was explained that he wasn’t accepted into his high school shooting team. This is what I remember hearing while doom-browsing YouTube, so take with a grain of salt.