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The thing about Project 2025 is that it’s not Trump. It was produced by people far, far more competent at enacting their policies.

mardifoufs 2y ago
I genuinely don't believe anyone that came up with such a cringy plan is competent, at least not politically so. When even Trump denounces your ramblings, when you specifically made the plan to pander to trump... That's incompetence, especially since he's very very easy to please with enough brown nosing.
- EasyMark 2y ago
  I suggest you read more on the Heritage Foundation, they are very capable, know the law inside and out, and have many billionaire backers that would love to set up a christian nationalist plutocracy, with or without Trump.
  - skissane 2y ago
    "Project 2025" is just a wishlist from a coalition of conservative thinktanks led by the Heritage Foundation. When Trump claims he hasn't even read it, I don't think he's lying (do you actually think Trump has the attention span to read over 900 pages of thinktank waffle?). It is just a list of things they hope they'll be able to talk Trump (and his appointees) into doing if he is elected. And no doubt he'll probably do some of them. But others he'll only agree to in a watered down form, and yet others he'll reject entirely. Because he doesn't personally agree with a proposal. Or because he worries about negative political blowback (2026 midterms). Or because competing advisors/lobbyists/etc are telling him not to. And nobody really knows for sure what Trump will or won't agree to do, not even Trump himself – although we can guess (the most extreme proposals in the document are arguably the least likely to actually be implemented, its more moderate proposals have a greater chance of actually happening) Project 2025 is a manifesto of American ideological conservatism; Trump is not an ideological conservative. He's happy to use them to get ahead, but he has no qualms about throwing them under the metaphorical bus whenever he thinks it is in his political self-interest to do so. And they know they'll do this to him – he's done it to them before and he'll do it to them again – but they don't really have anywhere else to go. Case in point: the recent GOP platform, where Trump single-handedly ripped out a big chunk of the anti-abortion language and anti-marriage equality language – because he is convinced (not without good reason) that stuff is going to cost him with the swing voters he needs to win. And many religious/social conservatives aren't happy [0] – but is anybody listening to them? [0] https://www.ncregister.com/cna/worst-platform-i-ve-ever-seen-conservatives-slam-republicans-for-softening-pro-life-stance https://www.ncregister.com/cna/worst-platform-i-ve-ever-seen...
    - defrost 2y ago
      > When Trump claims he hasn't even read it, I don't think he's lying Sure, not Trump's strong point at all. He didn't even take part in the decades long slow campaign to stack the Supreme Court and overthrow Roe V. Wade. Point is, he took part by taking advice from the very people that laid out Project 2025 and he will again - it's a prepacked hit the ground running scheme to solve many of the gripes Trump had last time around. Lousy public servants stopping Trump from doing his thing? No longer a problem, that's an early recommended fix from Project 2025 to redefine how firing and hiring works. Etc. etc.
      - skissane 2y ago
        Trump appears to actually regret the overturning of Roe v Wade: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/24/us/politics/abortion-ruling-trump.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/24/us/politics/abortion-ruli... Trump isn't ideologically opposed to abortion rights. He just gave the conservative base what they wanted, it appears without fully thinking through the consequences. And then when he was hit with those consequences, he discovered he didn't like them. And now he's ripping the national abortion ban out of the GOP platform, and pro-lifers are upset, but they just have to take it, because they've got no one else to turn to: https://www.axios.com/2024/07/09/abortion-ban-gop-rnc-platform https://www.axios.com/2024/07/09/abortion-ban-gop-rnc-platfo... > Point is, he took part by taking advice from the very people that laid out Project 2025 and he will again - it's a prepacked hit the ground running scheme to solve many of the gripes Trump had last time around. I agree he's probably going to do some of the things they are asking. Something like making it easier to fire federal bureaucrats who are trying to oppose his agenda from within – I can see why that would appeal to him. But other stuff in Project 2025 probably doesn't. Also, having very briefly skim-read Project 2025, much it just sounds like a return to the policies of the Trump I or Bush Jr administrations on various issues (e.g. reinstating various abortion-related funding bans which the Biden administration reversed). Which is the typical yo-yo of American public policy – a lot of stuff gets reversed continuously depending on which party is in power.

mardifoufs 2y ago

I genuinely don't believe anyone that came up with such a cringy plan is competent, at least not politically so. When even Trump denounces your ramblings, when you specifically made the plan to pander to trump... That's incompetence, especially since he's very very easy to please with enough brown nosing.

EasyMark 2y ago
I suggest you read more on the Heritage Foundation, they are very capable, know the law inside and out, and have many billionaire backers that would love to set up a christian nationalist plutocracy, with or without Trump.
- skissane 2y ago
  "Project 2025" is just a wishlist from a coalition of conservative thinktanks led by the Heritage Foundation. When Trump claims he hasn't even read it, I don't think he's lying (do you actually think Trump has the attention span to read over 900 pages of thinktank waffle?). It is just a list of things they hope they'll be able to talk Trump (and his appointees) into doing if he is elected. And no doubt he'll probably do some of them. But others he'll only agree to in a watered down form, and yet others he'll reject entirely. Because he doesn't personally agree with a proposal. Or because he worries about negative political blowback (2026 midterms). Or because competing advisors/lobbyists/etc are telling him not to. And nobody really knows for sure what Trump will or won't agree to do, not even Trump himself – although we can guess (the most extreme proposals in the document are arguably the least likely to actually be implemented, its more moderate proposals have a greater chance of actually happening) Project 2025 is a manifesto of American ideological conservatism; Trump is not an ideological conservative. He's happy to use them to get ahead, but he has no qualms about throwing them under the metaphorical bus whenever he thinks it is in his political self-interest to do so. And they know they'll do this to him – he's done it to them before and he'll do it to them again – but they don't really have anywhere else to go. Case in point: the recent GOP platform, where Trump single-handedly ripped out a big chunk of the anti-abortion language and anti-marriage equality language – because he is convinced (not without good reason) that stuff is going to cost him with the swing voters he needs to win. And many religious/social conservatives aren't happy [0] – but is anybody listening to them? [0] https://www.ncregister.com/cna/worst-platform-i-ve-ever-seen-conservatives-slam-republicans-for-softening-pro-life-stance https://www.ncregister.com/cna/worst-platform-i-ve-ever-seen...
  - defrost 2y ago
    > When Trump claims he hasn't even read it, I don't think he's lying Sure, not Trump's strong point at all. He didn't even take part in the decades long slow campaign to stack the Supreme Court and overthrow Roe V. Wade. Point is, he took part by taking advice from the very people that laid out Project 2025 and he will again - it's a prepacked hit the ground running scheme to solve many of the gripes Trump had last time around. Lousy public servants stopping Trump from doing his thing? No longer a problem, that's an early recommended fix from Project 2025 to redefine how firing and hiring works. Etc. etc.
    - skissane 2y ago
      Trump appears to actually regret the overturning of Roe v Wade: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/24/us/politics/abortion-ruling-trump.html https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/24/us/politics/abortion-ruli... Trump isn't ideologically opposed to abortion rights. He just gave the conservative base what they wanted, it appears without fully thinking through the consequences. And then when he was hit with those consequences, he discovered he didn't like them. And now he's ripping the national abortion ban out of the GOP platform, and pro-lifers are upset, but they just have to take it, because they've got no one else to turn to: https://www.axios.com/2024/07/09/abortion-ban-gop-rnc-platform https://www.axios.com/2024/07/09/abortion-ban-gop-rnc-platfo... > Point is, he took part by taking advice from the very people that laid out Project 2025 and he will again - it's a prepacked hit the ground running scheme to solve many of the gripes Trump had last time around. I agree he's probably going to do some of the things they are asking. Something like making it easier to fire federal bureaucrats who are trying to oppose his agenda from within – I can see why that would appeal to him. But other stuff in Project 2025 probably doesn't. Also, having very briefly skim-read Project 2025, much it just sounds like a return to the policies of the Trump I or Bush Jr administrations on various issues (e.g. reinstating various abortion-related funding bans which the Biden administration reversed). Which is the typical yo-yo of American public policy – a lot of stuff gets reversed continuously depending on which party is in power.