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The problem with that mindset is that the Republicans also have their own looneys who swear that Obama or Biden or whoever else will kill freedom and enact an a

The problem with that mindset is that the Republicans also have their own looneys who swear that Obama or Biden or whoever else will kill freedom and enact an autocracy. Saying so doesn't make it more true.

dllthomas 2y ago
That doesn't make it not "why" - but also that "why" doesn't make it justified.
- mardifoufs 2y ago
  Agreed. I guess there's still a chance that the shooter is just an unhinged, mentally ill person with no political affiliations (like with Reagan) but there's probably a "why" otherwise.
eclipticplane 2y ago
Not sure I've seen too many 900-page long "dismantle modern life" documents from the Democrats.
- mardifoufs 2y ago
  Not sure Trump could write a 900 pages document about anything but sure? Unless Trump endorsed whatever that document is then sure. And yeah, shooting a presidential candidate because of some conspiracy theories that involve a president dismantling 'modern life' is unhinged. Unless modern life is a 4 year American political cycle. I remember the same doom posting back in 2016 so it really doesn't have much bite anymore, especially since I'm not American and not knee deep in the batshit rhetoric that permeate american politics
  - heartbreak 2y ago
    The thing about Project 2025 is that it’s not Trump. It was produced by people far, far more competent at enacting their policies.
    - mardifoufs 2y ago
      I genuinely don't believe anyone that came up with such a cringy plan is competent, at least not politically so. When even Trump denounces your ramblings, when you specifically made the plan to pander to trump... That's incompetence, especially since he's very very easy to please with enough brown nosing.
      - EasyMark 2y ago
        I suggest you read more on the Heritage Foundation, they are very capable, know the law inside and out, and have many billionaire backers that would love to set up a christian nationalist plutocracy, with or without Trump.
        skissane 2y ago
        "Project 2025" is just a wishlist from a coalition of conservative thinktanks led by the Heritage Foundation. When Trump claims he hasn't even read it, I don't think he's lying (do you actually think Trump has the attention span to read over 900 pages of thinktank waffle?). It is just a list of things they hope they'll be able to talk Trump (and his appointees) into doing if he is elected. And no doubt he'll probably do some of them. But others he'll only agree to in a watered down form, and yet others he'll reject entirely. Because he doesn't personally agree with a proposal. Or because he worries about negative political blowback (2026 midterms). Or because competing advisors/lobbyists/etc are telling him not to. And nobody really knows for sure what Trump will or won't agree to do, not even Trump himself – although we can guess (the most extreme proposals in the document are arguably the least likely to actually be implemented, its more moderate proposals have a greater chance of actually happening) Project 2025 is a manifesto of American ideological conservatism; Trump is not an ideological conservative. He's happy to use them to get ahead, but he has no qualms about throwing them under the metaphorical bus whenever he thinks it is in his political self-interest to do so. And they know they'll do this to him – he's done it to them before and he'll do it to them again – but they don't really have anywhere else to go. Case in point: the recent GOP platform, where Trump single-handedly ripped out a big chunk of the anti-abortion language and anti-marriage equality language – because he is convinced (not without good reason) that stuff is going to cost him with the swing voters he needs to win. And many religious/social conservatives aren't happy [0] – but is anybody listening to them? [0] https://www.ncregister.com/cna/worst-platform-i-ve-ever-seen-conservatives-slam-republicans-for-softening-pro-life-stance https://www.ncregister.com/cna/worst-platform-i-ve-ever-seen...
- h2odragon 2y ago
  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agenda_21 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agenda_21
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dllthomas 2y ago

That doesn't make it not "why" - but also that "why" doesn't make it justified.

mardifoufs 2y ago
Agreed. I guess there's still a chance that the shooter is just an unhinged, mentally ill person with no political affiliations (like with Reagan) but there's probably a "why" otherwise.

eclipticplane 2y ago

Not sure I've seen too many 900-page long "dismantle modern life" documents from the Democrats.

mardifoufs 2y ago
Not sure Trump could write a 900 pages document about anything but sure? Unless Trump endorsed whatever that document is then sure. And yeah, shooting a presidential candidate because of some conspiracy theories that involve a president dismantling 'modern life' is unhinged. Unless modern life is a 4 year American political cycle. I remember the same doom posting back in 2016 so it really doesn't have much bite anymore, especially since I'm not American and not knee deep in the batshit rhetoric that permeate american politics
- heartbreak 2y ago
  The thing about Project 2025 is that it’s not Trump. It was produced by people far, far more competent at enacting their policies.
  - mardifoufs 2y ago
    I genuinely don't believe anyone that came up with such a cringy plan is competent, at least not politically so. When even Trump denounces your ramblings, when you specifically made the plan to pander to trump... That's incompetence, especially since he's very very easy to please with enough brown nosing.
    - EasyMark 2y ago
      I suggest you read more on the Heritage Foundation, they are very capable, know the law inside and out, and have many billionaire backers that would love to set up a christian nationalist plutocracy, with or without Trump.
      - skissane 2y ago
        "Project 2025" is just a wishlist from a coalition of conservative thinktanks led by the Heritage Foundation. When Trump claims he hasn't even read it, I don't think he's lying (do you actually think Trump has the attention span to read over 900 pages of thinktank waffle?). It is just a list of things they hope they'll be able to talk Trump (and his appointees) into doing if he is elected. And no doubt he'll probably do some of them. But others he'll only agree to in a watered down form, and yet others he'll reject entirely. Because he doesn't personally agree with a proposal. Or because he worries about negative political blowback (2026 midterms). Or because competing advisors/lobbyists/etc are telling him not to. And nobody really knows for sure what Trump will or won't agree to do, not even Trump himself – although we can guess (the most extreme proposals in the document are arguably the least likely to actually be implemented, its more moderate proposals have a greater chance of actually happening) Project 2025 is a manifesto of American ideological conservatism; Trump is not an ideological conservative. He's happy to use them to get ahead, but he has no qualms about throwing them under the metaphorical bus whenever he thinks it is in his political self-interest to do so. And they know they'll do this to him – he's done it to them before and he'll do it to them again – but they don't really have anywhere else to go. Case in point: the recent GOP platform, where Trump single-handedly ripped out a big chunk of the anti-abortion language and anti-marriage equality language – because he is convinced (not without good reason) that stuff is going to cost him with the swing voters he needs to win. And many religious/social conservatives aren't happy [0] – but is anybody listening to them? [0] https://www.ncregister.com/cna/worst-platform-i-ve-ever-seen-conservatives-slam-republicans-for-softening-pro-life-stance https://www.ncregister.com/cna/worst-platform-i-ve-ever-seen...
h2odragon 2y ago
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agenda_21 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agenda_21
- deleted 2y ago
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