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I think this site epitomizes what I don't like about the internet. There's no whimsy, no sense of artistry or creativity or mystery or playfulness. You have a c

I think this site epitomizes what I don't like about the internet. There's no whimsy, no sense of artistry or creativity or mystery or playfulness. You have a canvas to do anything and you choose to do nothing. It acknowledges that the problem space is difficult. Making something truly delightful is no small task — and it responds by giving up. The site is a (forceful) shrug.

Exuma 2y ago
Im with ya. The OP link is so painfully predictable and 1 dimensional. Its like people are unoriginal, which isn't so bad, but simultaneously dont possess the awareness to realize theyre unoriginal..... so to those who are not unoriginal its all so very tiresome. Oh wow you used swearing to make your point... I wonder how long it took for you to come up with that. I myself love the very much alive-and-dynamic interwebz. I love the creativity. I love the weird. I love javascript. I love the 9000 ways to do things because it always works out in the end and sorts itself out. There's ebbs and flows just like every other thing in life, where things evolve in phases
lytedev 2y ago
The main thing I like about the Internet is the exchange of information. Many sites make this awfully difficult or insane (download tens of megabytes to read a few dozen bytes). There is absolutely the side of the internet you're talking about, regarding making things pretty, but it's secondary in my opinion.
- lukan 2y ago
  Art and style is information. You (and I) just have a preference for factual information that can be transmitted via concise text and numbers and no bloat.
  - thwarted 2y ago
    A picture is worth a thousand words, but so many pictures and "style" that adorn websites are completely unrelated to the purpose, design, content, or intent of the site. And I'm not referring to ads. A layout that makes things difficult to find or read or experience isn't contributing to the access or portrayal of information. Youtube used to let you scroll through the list of related videos and read comments while keeping the video you were watching anchored. That's a regression in terms of usability and thus a regression in terms of "art and style".
  - throw0101d 2y ago
    > Art and style is information. And bad art and bad style can prevent the spread of information. Remember Hippocrates: first do no harm.
mym1990 2y ago
Agreed! This website is akin to saying “this is fucking chicken and broccoli and eat it every single day because it’s food and nutrients and you don’t need anything else”. Well you know what, sometimes I like ramen or curry or a Twinkie or whatever.
- zamadatix 2y ago
  From the satire section: "I'm not actually saying your shitty site should look like this. What I'm saying is that all the problems we have with websites are ones we create ourselves. Websites aren't broken by default, they are functional, high-performing, and accessible." I.e. the site is explicitly saying it's not trying to argue every site should actually taste like chicken and broccoli, rather it shouldn't lose so many of the good things a chicken and broccoli site already accomplishes out of the box in being different. I've never really liked the delivery of that message but at the end of the day it's a good message and can't be boiled down to "make your site bland".
roncesvalles 2y ago
I'm not sure if you read it till the end but I thought this observation was pretty astute. >Websites aren't broken by default, they are functional, high-performing, and accessible. You break them.
- throw0101d 2y ago
  > roncesvalles Meta: is this for the town in Spain or the street in Toronto?
m3rc 2y ago
Yeah that's what I'm always feeling like I need out of my use of the internet, more whimsy. totally dude.
throw0101d 2y ago
> I think this site epitomizes what I don't like about the internet. There's no whimsy, no sense of artistry or creativity or mystery or playfulness. You have a canvas to do anything and you choose to do nothing. Sometimes nothing is the best thing to do, especially given all the examples that people have decided to do 'something' and it ends up much more than this site.
sn9 2y ago
> There's no whimsy, no sense of artistry or creativity or mystery or playfulness. You have a canvas to do anything and you choose to do nothing. This is all well and good but it should come after being able to load a page quickly that's accessible over a slow connection and isn't wasteful of metered connections.
kaycey2022 2y ago
Considering the phone heating, react driven mess that every other website has become, this sort of minimalism is its own style of whimsy/artistry.

Exuma 2y ago

Im with ya. The OP link is so painfully predictable and 1 dimensional. Its like people are unoriginal, which isn't so bad, but simultaneously dont possess the awareness to realize theyre unoriginal..... so to those who are not unoriginal its all so very tiresome. Oh wow you used swearing to make your point... I wonder how long it took for you to come up with that. I myself love the very much alive-and-dynamic interwebz. I love the creativity. I love the weird. I love javascript. I love the 9000 ways to do things because it always works out in the end and sorts itself out. There's ebbs and flows just like every other thing in life, where things evolve in phases

lytedev 2y ago

The main thing I like about the Internet is the exchange of information. Many sites make this awfully difficult or insane (download tens of megabytes to read a few dozen bytes). There is absolutely the side of the internet you're talking about, regarding making things pretty, but it's secondary in my opinion.

lukan 2y ago
Art and style is information. You (and I) just have a preference for factual information that can be transmitted via concise text and numbers and no bloat.
- thwarted 2y ago
  A picture is worth a thousand words, but so many pictures and "style" that adorn websites are completely unrelated to the purpose, design, content, or intent of the site. And I'm not referring to ads. A layout that makes things difficult to find or read or experience isn't contributing to the access or portrayal of information. Youtube used to let you scroll through the list of related videos and read comments while keeping the video you were watching anchored. That's a regression in terms of usability and thus a regression in terms of "art and style".
- throw0101d 2y ago
  > Art and style is information. And bad art and bad style can prevent the spread of information. Remember Hippocrates: first do no harm.

mym1990 2y ago

Agreed! This website is akin to saying “this is fucking chicken and broccoli and eat it every single day because it’s food and nutrients and you don’t need anything else”. Well you know what, sometimes I like ramen or curry or a Twinkie or whatever.

zamadatix 2y ago
From the satire section: "I'm not actually saying your shitty site should look like this. What I'm saying is that all the problems we have with websites are ones we create ourselves. Websites aren't broken by default, they are functional, high-performing, and accessible." I.e. the site is explicitly saying it's not trying to argue every site should actually taste like chicken and broccoli, rather it shouldn't lose so many of the good things a chicken and broccoli site already accomplishes out of the box in being different. I've never really liked the delivery of that message but at the end of the day it's a good message and can't be boiled down to "make your site bland".

roncesvalles 2y ago

I'm not sure if you read it till the end but I thought this observation was pretty astute. >Websites aren't broken by default, they are functional, high-performing, and accessible. You break them.

throw0101d 2y ago
> roncesvalles Meta: is this for the town in Spain or the street in Toronto?

m3rc 2y ago

Yeah that's what I'm always feeling like I need out of my use of the internet, more whimsy. totally dude.

throw0101d 2y ago

> I think this site epitomizes what I don't like about the internet. There's no whimsy, no sense of artistry or creativity or mystery or playfulness. You have a canvas to do anything and you choose to do nothing. Sometimes nothing is the best thing to do, especially given all the examples that people have decided to do 'something' and it ends up much more than this site.

sn9 2y ago

> There's no whimsy, no sense of artistry or creativity or mystery or playfulness. You have a canvas to do anything and you choose to do nothing. This is all well and good but it should come after being able to load a page quickly that's accessible over a slow connection and isn't wasteful of metered connections.

kaycey2022 2y ago

Considering the phone heating, react driven mess that every other website has become, this sort of minimalism is its own style of whimsy/artistry.