> Can people explain why venv&pip is a bad solution that doesnt work for them they have to resort to other package managers? It's very simple: 1. As you said

> Can people explain why venv&pip is a bad solution that doesnt work for them they have to resort to other package managers? It's very simple: 1. As you said yourself, you don't need venv at all. 2. The format used by `pip -r` (colloquially known as "requirements file") is not a defined standard. 3. pip is not a package manager, but a package version resolver and installer.