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Parent is right and the fact they are being downvoted is incredibly self-absorbed. People have different experiences than you do, and I have the same as they d
by dijit 2y ago
Parent is right and the fact they are being downvoted is incredibly self-absorbed.
People have different experiences than you do, and I have the same as they do.
In Sweden there's BankID on your mobile device. It also exists as an external system but that functionality and those devices are very clearly deprecated, many methods of logging in with BankID require scanning a QR code from the smartphone app or following a link that launches the app.
Kivra; a digital alternative to physical mail, has a strict requirement on BankID, and without it our companies charge for invoices to be sent to your mailbox. -- and even then, how do you pay your invoices? Internet banking is based on BankID- in fact it was invented for that purpose.
A former employer required us to use a mobile app to get our payslips, I declined (citing that my personal device may not exist and cannot be a requirement for my employment) which caused a serious internal kerfuffle and I ended up being the only person to get a physical payslip in a studio of 800 people.
A smartphone has slowly become a necessary thing to have in Sweden, as a person who grew up in the 90's-00's I am aware of how it was before smartphones, and that universe has been closed off, it's harder now to do things without a smartphone, it's not the case that it's just become more convenient to have one, it's clearly harder than it used to be to avoid owning one.
To continue talking "banks"; my bank no longer has branches available to me for doing bank transfers, they seem to only exist for helping people talk through mortgages.
- Rinzler89 2y agoYou call out people being self absorbed for having different opinions, then proceed to generalize by giving Sweden as an example as if everyone in the world has the issues of Sweden's BankID. Have you considered that maybe Sweden is the outlier here, and not the norm, before calling others self absorbed? No, of course you haven't.
- dijit 2y agoI don't say that everyone has it like me, just that this is how it can be, and you should keep it in mind before dismissing people who say that smartphones have become required. I would expect the hackernews audience to have the capacity to differentiate an argument against generalisation from a generalisation itself.
- fragmede 2y agoFor better or worse, the barriers to create an account here are low and the gate isn't very well kept. I would expect anyone with an account here to recognize that (and don't feed the trolls).
- Rinzler89 2y ago>you should keep it in mind before dismissing people who say that smartphones have become required. I never dismissed anyone, read my Original comment again. I asked the user devjab if smartphones are really a necessity for survival where he lives, as in if there's actually no way to do banking in person or use physical IDs in government offices, because I found that hard to believe from my experience of living in 3 different EU countries where physical acces for non smartphone users was always available and smartphone ID apps were only optional for those who want extra convenience of not going in person to offices. If If you can't differentiate between a question and a dismissal and feel the need immediately jump to accusations and victimizations, then I'm gonna have to stop the conversation here.