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My guess on what he actually means is "The EU said we should ban the users for their obvious hatespeech and then they don't fine us, but we said no" Edit: afte

My guess on what he actually means is "The EU said we should ban the users for their obvious hatespeech and then they don't fine us, but we said no" Edit: after a bit of looking its about disinformation and transparency https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/IP_24_3761 https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/IP_24_...

mike_hearn 2y ago
He's replying to a tweet by an EU official who says the Commission thinks X "misleads users", "fails to provide adequate ad repository" (whatever that means - something got lost in translation there) and "blocks access to data for researchers". Which is apparently illegal under the Digital Services Act. The bit about misleading users seems to be that the EU suddenly dislikes the blue check icon because blue checks used to be restricted to people who are "trustworthy" but now their "preliminary view" is that the presence of a blue check can "deceive users". https://twitter.com/ThierryBreton/status/1811699711591489637 https://twitter.com/ThierryBreton/status/1811699711591489637 In other words, none of the claims made by the EU are related to hate speech, which the EU has a habit of defining as any speech objecting to their policies anyway. Also ironic that the EU complains that X doesn't send everyone's data to academics. What happened to EU having the best privacy laws? This kind of micromanagement of product design is one of the reasons new products aren't launching in the EU.
- __m 2y ago
  Which objection to their policies did they define as hate speech?
  - mike_hearn 2y ago
    For example, EU countries have used such laws to ban criticism of their COVID policies.
  - ailef 2y ago
    There's no need to define it as hate speech, since the DSA purposely mentions a very vague "harmful speech/content" (not "hateful") which can in turn applied to whatever the EU sees fits. For example, any objection to the current policies w.r.t the Russian invasion of Ukraine can be censored due to the DSA and this has happened recently to a prominent Italian YouTube influencer (Andrea Lombardi). His tweets were censored for his opinions about the Ukraine war. How many other tweets are being removed which we don't know of because they are not coming from famous people who have channels to make themselves heard anyway?
mountainstar 2y ago
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- NekkoDroid 2y ago
  > My guess on what you actually mean "I'm an authoritarian shitlib and my arguments can't actually win in a free society so I need to label everything that disagrees with me using the made up and entirely subective concept of "hate speech" I couldn't not give 2 shits about "free speech" or "free society" when that "free society" validates people activly trying to make lives of other people significantly worse. A truly free "society" would be literal anarchy and that just isn't how a society works. Freedoms are limited so that we don't tear eachother apart. > using the made up and entirely subective concept of "hate speech" If you require an objective definition of "hate speech" you might not be such a nice person to be around IMO, but then again its just a subjective feeling I have so I guess you can disregard it.

mike_hearn 2y ago

He's replying to a tweet by an EU official who says the Commission thinks X "misleads users", "fails to provide adequate ad repository" (whatever that means - something got lost in translation there) and "blocks access to data for researchers". Which is apparently illegal under the Digital Services Act. The bit about misleading users seems to be that the EU suddenly dislikes the blue check icon because blue checks used to be restricted to people who are "trustworthy" but now their "preliminary view" is that the presence of a blue check can "deceive users". https://twitter.com/ThierryBreton/status/1811699711591489637 https://twitter.com/ThierryBreton/status/1811699711591489637 In other words, none of the claims made by the EU are related to hate speech, which the EU has a habit of defining as any speech objecting to their policies anyway. Also ironic that the EU complains that X doesn't send everyone's data to academics. What happened to EU having the best privacy laws? This kind of micromanagement of product design is one of the reasons new products aren't launching in the EU.

__m 2y ago
Which objection to their policies did they define as hate speech?
- mike_hearn 2y ago
  For example, EU countries have used such laws to ban criticism of their COVID policies.
- ailef 2y ago
  There's no need to define it as hate speech, since the DSA purposely mentions a very vague "harmful speech/content" (not "hateful") which can in turn applied to whatever the EU sees fits. For example, any objection to the current policies w.r.t the Russian invasion of Ukraine can be censored due to the DSA and this has happened recently to a prominent Italian YouTube influencer (Andrea Lombardi). His tweets were censored for his opinions about the Ukraine war. How many other tweets are being removed which we don't know of because they are not coming from famous people who have channels to make themselves heard anyway?

mountainstar 2y ago

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NekkoDroid 2y ago
> My guess on what you actually mean "I'm an authoritarian shitlib and my arguments can't actually win in a free society so I need to label everything that disagrees with me using the made up and entirely subective concept of "hate speech" I couldn't not give 2 shits about "free speech" or "free society" when that "free society" validates people activly trying to make lives of other people significantly worse. A truly free "society" would be literal anarchy and that just isn't how a society works. Freedoms are limited so that we don't tear eachother apart. > using the made up and entirely subective concept of "hate speech" If you require an objective definition of "hate speech" you might not be such a nice person to be around IMO, but then again its just a subjective feeling I have so I guess you can disregard it.