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Is there a doc describing the goals of Ladybird? The page just mentions speed & security, but is privacy also one of them?

PufPufPuf 2y ago
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- shaoonb 2y ago
  Using "he" as default is just as much of a political stance as using "they" as default. The fact that whoever rejected this PR thinks that pronouns are "political" gives me a pretty good guess as to their overall political leanings.
  - OJFord 2y ago
    To me that depends on the context it's used in - if it's like: > When a user visits a web page, he expects [...] then yes, I'd even just say that's wrong, no opinion or politics about it. However if it's: > So once Alice has published the website, and Bob visits it in his browser, he expects [...] and the PR is suggesting that actually we don't know how fictional Bob identifies... Then personally I just think that's tedious, the pronouns are helpful to disambiguate Alice & Bob in shorthand anyway, and that is bringing 'political' (ish? Societal?) views into it.
    - ajdude 2y ago
      A sibling comment[1] provided the PR[2]. The change was to replace: To prevent this, remove `anon` from the `wheel` group and he will no longer be able to run `/bin/su`. With To prevent this, remove `anon` from the `wheel` group and they will no longer be able to run `/bin/su`. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40956931 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40956931 [2] https://github.com/SerenityOS/serenity/pull/6814 https://github.com/SerenityOS/serenity/pull/6814
      - OJFord 2y ago
        Yeah that's clearly the first case I gave then, it's just wrong, it's not even about not liking 'woke' or 'PC gone mad' or whatever. At least, that's what I was taught at a private school, in a Conservative-voting area, ~25 years ago. (I've always disliked the 'unknown-she/her' for 'important' roles too, for the same reason: it's fighting wrong with opposite wrong. Matt Levine for example will write 'if you ask someone on the front desk I feel like she will tell you' - it's an abstract person, they will tell you. Grr. Anyway.) In this particular case I might actually say 'it' anyway. But in general I think to native English speakers (because we don't gender most things) it's pretty clear it should be 'they' if the sentence is more mundane and bias-free, like 'find someone to ask for directions, and if they don't know [...]' - it's just weird if you substitute '(s)he doesn't' isn't it?
- ajdude 2y ago
  Do you happen to have a link to that PR? This was the closest one I could find https://github.com/LadybirdBrowser/ladybird/pull/366 https://github.com/LadybirdBrowser/ladybird/pull/366
  - PufPufPuf 2y ago
    It happened back when it was all part of Serenity OS: https://github.com/SerenityOS/serenity/pull/6814 https://github.com/SerenityOS/serenity/pull/6814
    - Phelinofist 2y ago
      Holy cow, everyone commenting in that issue is just pathetic

PufPufPuf 2y ago

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shaoonb 2y ago
Using "he" as default is just as much of a political stance as using "they" as default. The fact that whoever rejected this PR thinks that pronouns are "political" gives me a pretty good guess as to their overall political leanings.
- OJFord 2y ago
  To me that depends on the context it's used in - if it's like: > When a user visits a web page, he expects [...] then yes, I'd even just say that's wrong, no opinion or politics about it. However if it's: > So once Alice has published the website, and Bob visits it in his browser, he expects [...] and the PR is suggesting that actually we don't know how fictional Bob identifies... Then personally I just think that's tedious, the pronouns are helpful to disambiguate Alice & Bob in shorthand anyway, and that is bringing 'political' (ish? Societal?) views into it.
  - ajdude 2y ago
    A sibling comment[1] provided the PR[2]. The change was to replace: To prevent this, remove `anon` from the `wheel` group and he will no longer be able to run `/bin/su`. With To prevent this, remove `anon` from the `wheel` group and they will no longer be able to run `/bin/su`. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40956931 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40956931 [2] https://github.com/SerenityOS/serenity/pull/6814 https://github.com/SerenityOS/serenity/pull/6814
    - OJFord 2y ago
      Yeah that's clearly the first case I gave then, it's just wrong, it's not even about not liking 'woke' or 'PC gone mad' or whatever. At least, that's what I was taught at a private school, in a Conservative-voting area, ~25 years ago. (I've always disliked the 'unknown-she/her' for 'important' roles too, for the same reason: it's fighting wrong with opposite wrong. Matt Levine for example will write 'if you ask someone on the front desk I feel like she will tell you' - it's an abstract person, they will tell you. Grr. Anyway.) In this particular case I might actually say 'it' anyway. But in general I think to native English speakers (because we don't gender most things) it's pretty clear it should be 'they' if the sentence is more mundane and bias-free, like 'find someone to ask for directions, and if they don't know [...]' - it's just weird if you substitute '(s)he doesn't' isn't it?
ajdude 2y ago
Do you happen to have a link to that PR? This was the closest one I could find https://github.com/LadybirdBrowser/ladybird/pull/366 https://github.com/LadybirdBrowser/ladybird/pull/366
- PufPufPuf 2y ago
  It happened back when it was all part of Serenity OS: https://github.com/SerenityOS/serenity/pull/6814 https://github.com/SerenityOS/serenity/pull/6814
  - Phelinofist 2y ago
    Holy cow, everyone commenting in that issue is just pathetic