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Nokia 6600 vs. Samsung S24 Ultra

34 points by lioeters 2y ago

throwaway211 2y ago
Modern phones offer no net productivity gain. They just make you busy. Edge case solutions already have edge case solutions.
- pjmlp 2y ago
  Definitely, that is why I only get new phones when mine dies, Symbian already did most of what I cared about, specially Belle edition was quite nice, no FOMO.
- devjab 2y ago
  They are also sort of a requirement in a lot of places. I need several apps. A drivers license app. A social security ID app. A digital identity verification app. A couple of digital healthcare apps since a lot of functionality has been split into different apps. A banking app. An investment app. A localized payment app because it’s very integrated in our society. Either Apple or Google pay. An app for my children’s institutions. An app for my digital mail (not email, but we’ve mostly replaced physical mail with digital in a closed system). Various ticket purchase apps. You can sort of get around it, but your life will suck. I’m not sure these can run on the Nokia, if they can, that is great, but often our systems have married themselves with Apple and Google.
  - Rinzler89 2y ago
    >I need several apps. A drivers license app. A social security ID app. A digital identity verification app. Do you actually need them? Who is forcing you to? In my country those are options but nobody forces you to use them. You can use your physical IDs and licenses everywhere and do your paperwork physically in person at government offices so you can definitely live without a smartphone. I don't know any essential service that mandates a smartphone. It can all be done either in person, or via phone, or fax or snail mail when companies don't have physical offices.
    - out_of_protocol 2y ago
      Very much depends. Never lived in a place where driver license app is required, but many other apps are kinda essential, e.g. either you install banking app (and it approves your device) or walk by foot to nearest bank branch for every minor action. Some banks allow web access, many don't. Also something as simple as whatsapp requires a phone, you can't really communicate without it, and some countries use it almost exclusively.
      - kuschku 2y ago
        > Some banks allow web access, many don't. That's actually true where you live? WTF
        Rinzler89 2y ago
        I think some online-only banks like Revolut or N26 or Monzo are app exclusive.
        kuschku 2y ago
        N26 requires an app for some rare account management tasks, but you can still use it from the web.
        out_of_protocol 2y ago
        Many banks have Web UI, but very shitty one, with fraction of functionality and still asking confirmation SMS on every action (so you need a phone anyway)
        kuschku 2y ago
        > so you need a phone anyway Yes, that's the point of a second factor > but very shitty one, with fraction of functionality If I have to do high-risk or complex tasks, I want to do that on a real computer, not a toy.
    - dijit 2y ago
  - Lio 2y ago
    Where do you live and whic places do you think smartphones are a requirement for? Where I live in the UK that’s all just optional and can be replaced with a couple of plastic cards. In fact my phone ran out of data for the last 2 days while I was away on business (issue with the phone company). It was a small pain but life absolutely didn’t suck.
    - okasaki 2y ago
      I needed an app recently to interact with the UK govt. The alternative was to send them my passport in the post (which obviously I'm not doing.)
    - chmod775 2y ago
      >Where do you live and whic places do you think smartphones are a requirement for? Try getting anywhere in China without a smartphone to run WeChat/Alipay. There's a reason they have phone charging stations everywhere. Maybe 0.2% of the country will accept your credit card directly (hotels that cater to westerners). Nobody uses cash, but not quite everyone will outright refuse it if you try to pay with it. They won't have change and you'll give them the logistical hassle of having to turn that into digital money. Ride hailing*, stores, and most restaurants and attractions will take payment through WeChat/Alipay exclusively. Without your phone you'll be stuck in your hotel, unable to explore the country at all. Get used to doing everything from booking domestic flights to buying a bottle of water with your phone. Lots of places don't have physical tickets. Just some app within WeChat. Stores don't have a cash register. They have a QR code. * Regular cabs will be happy to take cash, but absolutely DO NOT use them if you can at all avoid it. Use the ride hailing apps in WeChat/Alipay.
itvision 2y ago
> I wonder how things will look 20 years from now. I'm sure raw specs will continue to improve and make my shiny, new S24 Ultra look as dated then as it does my 6600 today. Not happening. We are very close to various limits imposed by physics. I don't even believe SGS 44U will be more than 3-4 times faster than SGS 24U in ST mode, if not less.
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- micw 2y ago
  I guess, efficiency and batteries will improve, so the devices will last much longer than now. Maybe even efficiency will great enough that the whole energy can be harvested from movement or environment and we don't have to charge the devices at all. Type of user interfaces might also be improve a lot. Think about a device that maps "images" directly in your visual cortex, so no need for displays anymore. Or holographic projections instead of screens. Much sci-fi today but potentially reality in 20 years. Also the way we communicate with the device will drastically change. We already have AI language models and good speech recognition but these are in a very early state. I assume such things will improve a lot and will be integrated soon in consumer devices.
  - fragmede 2y ago
    The thing I'm most sad about the humane pin is all the engineering work that went into that display, only to be locked away.
- huppeldepup 2y ago
  We’re hampered by the limits of engineering, not those of physics by a long shot.
- dist-epoch 2y ago
  The way you make ST faster is by moving more to hardware. Instead of computing CRC32 or AES one instruction at a time according to their algorithm, you just have a hardware CRC/AES instruction which does it in one go. Same for decoding movies, or running neural-networks. AMD/Intel still deliver 10-15% ST improvement with each generation. Compound that over 20 years and it's way more than 3-4 times faster.
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HenryBemis 2y ago
> Battery life has gone down. When you consider that the battery capacity has gone up, you realise how much more power-hungry the S24 Ultra is. I bought a Samsung S7 tablet, and first thing I did (as I always do on all my Androids) is to enable USB Debugging and adb install NoRootFirewall.apk. There were so many apps that wanted to 'phone home', and the battery would drain after 24-36h with almost no use. After I uninstalled or disabled 'a lot' of its apps/bloatware, the battery is performing significantly better. When idling (lid closed, in my bookcase) the battery lasts for weeks. When reading, the battery lasts for days (I'm reading indoors so I use ReadEra and I keep the Brightness at 20-30%). So I don't blame the battery, I blame the bloatware.
- awelxtr 2y ago
  Isn't it exactly what they are saying?
- lioeters 2y ago
  > NoRootFirewall I found this on Google Play but apparently it was last updated in January 2020. > NoRoot Firewall may not work on LTE because it NoRoot Firewall currently doesn't support IPv6. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=app.greyshirts.firewall&hl=en_US https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=app.greyshirts... Searching for this keyword I found another one called NetGuard on F-Droid. It supports IPv6 and looks like it's updated more frequently (or at least more recently). https://f-droid.org/packages/eu.faircode.netguard/ https://f-droid.org/packages/eu.faircode.netguard/ Anyway, thank you for the tip to use firewall for improving battery life.
walthamstow 2y ago
My 6630 even had a maps app! No GPS, you had to actually read the map to know where you were. I had the Transport for London WAP page for my bus times. I had everything I needed!
- ljf 2y ago
  My Nokia E61 and then E71 felt like I had everything I needed (except built in GPS on the E61, but a cheap Bluetooth module sufficed) - maps, apps, movies, music, blogging, great notes, OK camera, extendable storage - and a battery which lasted days (and removable batteries that were pretty cheap so I usually had a couple of ready charged spares around). But I remember those days fondly - like you having the bus times in London felt like witchcraft to my dumb-phone owning friends
- aggrrrh 2y ago
  It has a-gps that works with mobile network triangulation
  - zokier 2y ago
    a-gps is quite a different thing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_GNSS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_GNSS
    - numpad0 2y ago
      The term "A-GPS" was also used hand-wavy for various location techs during 2005-2015. GP's is sort of period correct understanding.
drbig 2y ago
I for one have a feeling we've reached the plateau of form and function some time ago already: a slab with a touchscreen on one side and some camera(s) on the other. In other words: smartphones got boring, which often goes with maturity ( :-) ). The "AI features", "folding this way", "folding that way" - sure, cool to have some gimmicks - perhaps actually important features in some (niche?) use-cases? Smartphone is a tool nowadays, in many cases a rather inescapable one (auth, banking, transport...). And please remember: there is no force of nature making you install news/social media apps and then doom scroll.
- wazoox 2y ago
  Indeed. I'm still using the phone I bought in 2017 (OnePlus 5T) and it's still 100% adequate. In fact, my wife is still using my previous 2013 OnePlus One and though it's a tad slow and cramped in storage, it's still 100% adequate running LineageOS.
  - lloeki 2y ago
    Sometimes I really wish I didn't brick my OnePlus X, it was a good and simple device. Perfect for a spare fallback phone or a main one acting like a dumb-ish phone with QoL smart features (like camera, navigation, bank apps, music, totp...) (I bricked it because some bootloader flash part had a stupidly low write limit, and I burned them by updating the bootloader one time too many) Also loved my BB Z10, I wish it could have been community-maintained in some way (either BB liberating the OS or someone hacking Android onto it)
prmoustache 2y ago
I don't think you can count the camera captor size to face value when the software use pixel binning technique to get decent pictures. You need to consider the size of the end result.
daghamm 2y ago
I love 6600 as much as the next guy, but have you seen the zoom on the s24 ultra camera?
- emilfihlman 2y ago
  It seems to only have 5x optical. I'm pretty annoyed, since I had 10x optical on the Huawei P30 Pro many years ago, and I really loved that camera.
  - _ache_ 2y ago
    I don't know about the 5x optical but the over day I took a picture of a beach. On the phone with x2 I could see a sign that I didn't even noted bared-eyed. With x10 I could actually read the sign only the little phone number alert was unreadable. With my bare eyes I couldn't even read the title of the sign, barely see the sign actually.
  - nunez 2y ago
    lol ONLY The fact that we can say that a phone ONLY has any "x" optical zoom is crazy.
  - daghamm 2y ago
    Counterpoint: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=phD6UCECIig https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=phD6UCECIig
zokier 2y ago
What is notable here to me is how in computing we used to expect 2x improvement every 18-24 months, so for 20 years that would have meant 1000-10000x improvement. Yet almost all the increases are <1000x here.
- lioeters 2y ago
  It's probably the software stack consuming more and more of the available hardware capacity. I seem to remember there's a "law", like software expands until it consumes all available capacity.. Ah here it is, Niklaus Wirth in "A Plea for Lean Software" (1995). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wirth's_law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wirth's_law > Wirth's law is an adage on computer performance which states that software is getting slower more rapidly than hardware is becoming faster. > Martin Reiser, who in the preface to his book on the Oberon System wrote: "The hope is that the progress in hardware will cure all software ills. However, a critical observer may observe that software manages to outgrow hardware in size and sluggishness." > "What Intel giveth, Microsoft taketh away" > "Software efficiency halves every 18 months, compensating Moore's law"
epolanski 2y ago
OT but since it's mentioned. Has there been any new evolution in the vision pro space? I haven't heard it mentioned since it was launched, I haven't heard over the internet about people using it at all, nor I've heard of any killer app coming the VR headset.
mkayokay 2y ago
There was also no need to buy a case and a screen protector.
- Fnoord 2y ago
  I dropped my Nokia E71 once. It had a leather pouch. But to use it, it was out of it, and I dropped it from my hands. Screen wasn't cracked. Minor scratch on aluminium. But some of the keys in qwerty row were broken, including the important 'e'. I sent my device in for repair. A month later I got it back. The problem was gone, but a couple of months later the very problem returned. With a mechanical keyboard, you can replace individial switches. As I wrote elsewhere in this thread: two steps forward, one step back. Or: you win some, you lose some.
- nunez 2y ago
  People bought faceplates and holsters for their phones.
megous 2y ago
You can also somtimes plug the old nokia phone to USB and start making calls, reading/deleting SMS and many more over standard AT commands. Also very convenient.
michielt 2y ago
* I needed a new phone * Did you really? decided to treat myself Or did you need a dopamine hit ;)
quitit 2y ago
>Battery life has gone down. When you consider that the battery capacity has gone up, you realise how much more power-hungry the S24 Ultra is. Sure the standby time is far lower, but the talk time has greatly increased. The talk time of the Nokia 6600 was between 2 and 4 hours. Our memory of long battery life is simply explained: the phone did very little and we used them far less. Modern smartphones can also perform active user-driven functions without significantly reducing the standby time. For example, continuous music playback can lessen the standby time by as little as 15% on modern devices.
- nunez 2y ago
  That's an astute observation. Also very true.
kasabali 2y ago
> I don't need to carry my credit/debit cards anymore first world problems?
- Fnoord 2y ago
  Transportation cards also no longer necessary. It means you can leave your wallet at home, no longer have a wallet (cash no longer status quo), or only have your ID with you (since loyalty cards are also in app on smartphone). Though even for ID I have an app. You say first world problems, but OTOH when you go sport or in summer without many clothes the weight matters. This al works great, until your battery is dead or your device is lost/stolen. Two steps forward, one step back.
nabla9 2y ago
Feature phones have not gone anywhere. Modern feature phones are great for hiking or for children. I have modern Nokia 800 Tough 4Glte with me when I take long hikes - 43 days of standby time from a single charge. 2,100 mAh1 removable battery. - WhatsApp messaging, google maps etc. all basic apps you need.
rpozarickij 2y ago
Smartphones in the same class as the S24 Ultra are marvels of engineering. The fact that we no longer think how amazing modern technology is and instead focus solely on their intended functions is a testament to how much we as a civilization have achieved.
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smitty1e 2y ago
And, if you pair the phone with the smart watch, your watch can help you find the phone. I typically don't use this, as I can get a few more steps in on the tracker wandering around the house looking for the phone, but it does help when time is of essence.

34 points by lioeters 2y ago

Modern phones offer no net productivity gain. They just make you busy. Edge case solutions already have edge case solutions.

pjmlp 2y ago
Definitely, that is why I only get new phones when mine dies, Symbian already did most of what I cared about, specially Belle edition was quite nice, no FOMO.
devjab 2y ago
They are also sort of a requirement in a lot of places. I need several apps. A drivers license app. A social security ID app. A digital identity verification app. A couple of digital healthcare apps since a lot of functionality has been split into different apps. A banking app. An investment app. A localized payment app because it’s very integrated in our society. Either Apple or Google pay. An app for my children’s institutions. An app for my digital mail (not email, but we’ve mostly replaced physical mail with digital in a closed system). Various ticket purchase apps. You can sort of get around it, but your life will suck. I’m not sure these can run on the Nokia, if they can, that is great, but often our systems have married themselves with Apple and Google.
- Rinzler89 2y ago
  >I need several apps. A drivers license app. A social security ID app. A digital identity verification app. Do you actually need them? Who is forcing you to? In my country those are options but nobody forces you to use them. You can use your physical IDs and licenses everywhere and do your paperwork physically in person at government offices so you can definitely live without a smartphone. I don't know any essential service that mandates a smartphone. It can all be done either in person, or via phone, or fax or snail mail when companies don't have physical offices.
  - out_of_protocol 2y ago
    Very much depends. Never lived in a place where driver license app is required, but many other apps are kinda essential, e.g. either you install banking app (and it approves your device) or walk by foot to nearest bank branch for every minor action. Some banks allow web access, many don't. Also something as simple as whatsapp requires a phone, you can't really communicate without it, and some countries use it almost exclusively.
    - kuschku 2y ago
      > Some banks allow web access, many don't. That's actually true where you live? WTF
      - Rinzler89 2y ago
        I think some online-only banks like Revolut or N26 or Monzo are app exclusive.
        kuschku 2y ago
        N26 requires an app for some rare account management tasks, but you can still use it from the web.
      - out_of_protocol 2y ago
        Many banks have Web UI, but very shitty one, with fraction of functionality and still asking confirmation SMS on every action (so you need a phone anyway)
        kuschku 2y ago
        > so you need a phone anyway Yes, that's the point of a second factor > but very shitty one, with fraction of functionality If I have to do high-risk or complex tasks, I want to do that on a real computer, not a toy.
  - dijit 2y ago
- Lio 2y ago
  Where do you live and whic places do you think smartphones are a requirement for? Where I live in the UK that’s all just optional and can be replaced with a couple of plastic cards. In fact my phone ran out of data for the last 2 days while I was away on business (issue with the phone company). It was a small pain but life absolutely didn’t suck.
  - okasaki 2y ago
    I needed an app recently to interact with the UK govt. The alternative was to send them my passport in the post (which obviously I'm not doing.)
  - chmod775 2y ago
    >Where do you live and whic places do you think smartphones are a requirement for? Try getting anywhere in China without a smartphone to run WeChat/Alipay. There's a reason they have phone charging stations everywhere. Maybe 0.2% of the country will accept your credit card directly (hotels that cater to westerners). Nobody uses cash, but not quite everyone will outright refuse it if you try to pay with it. They won't have change and you'll give them the logistical hassle of having to turn that into digital money. Ride hailing*, stores, and most restaurants and attractions will take payment through WeChat/Alipay exclusively. Without your phone you'll be stuck in your hotel, unable to explore the country at all. Get used to doing everything from booking domestic flights to buying a bottle of water with your phone. Lots of places don't have physical tickets. Just some app within WeChat. Stores don't have a cash register. They have a QR code. * Regular cabs will be happy to take cash, but absolutely DO NOT use them if you can at all avoid it. Use the ride hailing apps in WeChat/Alipay.

itvision 2y ago

> I wonder how things will look 20 years from now. I'm sure raw specs will continue to improve and make my shiny, new S24 Ultra look as dated then as it does my 6600 today. Not happening. We are very close to various limits imposed by physics. I don't even believe SGS 44U will be more than 3-4 times faster than SGS 24U in ST mode, if not less.

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micw 2y ago
I guess, efficiency and batteries will improve, so the devices will last much longer than now. Maybe even efficiency will great enough that the whole energy can be harvested from movement or environment and we don't have to charge the devices at all. Type of user interfaces might also be improve a lot. Think about a device that maps "images" directly in your visual cortex, so no need for displays anymore. Or holographic projections instead of screens. Much sci-fi today but potentially reality in 20 years. Also the way we communicate with the device will drastically change. We already have AI language models and good speech recognition but these are in a very early state. I assume such things will improve a lot and will be integrated soon in consumer devices.
- fragmede 2y ago
  The thing I'm most sad about the humane pin is all the engineering work that went into that display, only to be locked away.
huppeldepup 2y ago
We’re hampered by the limits of engineering, not those of physics by a long shot.
dist-epoch 2y ago
The way you make ST faster is by moving more to hardware. Instead of computing CRC32 or AES one instruction at a time according to their algorithm, you just have a hardware CRC/AES instruction which does it in one go. Same for decoding movies, or running neural-networks. AMD/Intel still deliver 10-15% ST improvement with each generation. Compound that over 20 years and it's way more than 3-4 times faster.

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HenryBemis 2y ago

> Battery life has gone down. When you consider that the battery capacity has gone up, you realise how much more power-hungry the S24 Ultra is. I bought a Samsung S7 tablet, and first thing I did (as I always do on all my Androids) is to enable USB Debugging and adb install NoRootFirewall.apk. There were so many apps that wanted to 'phone home', and the battery would drain after 24-36h with almost no use. After I uninstalled or disabled 'a lot' of its apps/bloatware, the battery is performing significantly better. When idling (lid closed, in my bookcase) the battery lasts for weeks. When reading, the battery lasts for days (I'm reading indoors so I use ReadEra and I keep the Brightness at 20-30%). So I don't blame the battery, I blame the bloatware.

awelxtr 2y ago
Isn't it exactly what they are saying?
lioeters 2y ago
> NoRootFirewall I found this on Google Play but apparently it was last updated in January 2020. > NoRoot Firewall may not work on LTE because it NoRoot Firewall currently doesn't support IPv6. https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=app.greyshirts.firewall&hl=en_US https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=app.greyshirts... Searching for this keyword I found another one called NetGuard on F-Droid. It supports IPv6 and looks like it's updated more frequently (or at least more recently). https://f-droid.org/packages/eu.faircode.netguard/ https://f-droid.org/packages/eu.faircode.netguard/ Anyway, thank you for the tip to use firewall for improving battery life.

walthamstow 2y ago

My 6630 even had a maps app! No GPS, you had to actually read the map to know where you were. I had the Transport for London WAP page for my bus times. I had everything I needed!

ljf 2y ago
My Nokia E61 and then E71 felt like I had everything I needed (except built in GPS on the E61, but a cheap Bluetooth module sufficed) - maps, apps, movies, music, blogging, great notes, OK camera, extendable storage - and a battery which lasted days (and removable batteries that were pretty cheap so I usually had a couple of ready charged spares around). But I remember those days fondly - like you having the bus times in London felt like witchcraft to my dumb-phone owning friends
aggrrrh 2y ago
It has a-gps that works with mobile network triangulation
- zokier 2y ago
  a-gps is quite a different thing: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_GNSS https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assisted_GNSS
  - numpad0 2y ago
    The term "A-GPS" was also used hand-wavy for various location techs during 2005-2015. GP's is sort of period correct understanding.

drbig 2y ago

I for one have a feeling we've reached the plateau of form and function some time ago already: a slab with a touchscreen on one side and some camera(s) on the other. In other words: smartphones got boring, which often goes with maturity ( :-) ). The "AI features", "folding this way", "folding that way" - sure, cool to have some gimmicks - perhaps actually important features in some (niche?) use-cases? Smartphone is a tool nowadays, in many cases a rather inescapable one (auth, banking, transport...). And please remember: there is no force of nature making you install news/social media apps and then doom scroll.

wazoox 2y ago
Indeed. I'm still using the phone I bought in 2017 (OnePlus 5T) and it's still 100% adequate. In fact, my wife is still using my previous 2013 OnePlus One and though it's a tad slow and cramped in storage, it's still 100% adequate running LineageOS.
- lloeki 2y ago
  Sometimes I really wish I didn't brick my OnePlus X, it was a good and simple device. Perfect for a spare fallback phone or a main one acting like a dumb-ish phone with QoL smart features (like camera, navigation, bank apps, music, totp...) (I bricked it because some bootloader flash part had a stupidly low write limit, and I burned them by updating the bootloader one time too many) Also loved my BB Z10, I wish it could have been community-maintained in some way (either BB liberating the OS or someone hacking Android onto it)

prmoustache 2y ago

I don't think you can count the camera captor size to face value when the software use pixel binning technique to get decent pictures. You need to consider the size of the end result.

daghamm 2y ago

I love 6600 as much as the next guy, but have you seen the zoom on the s24 ultra camera?

emilfihlman 2y ago
It seems to only have 5x optical. I'm pretty annoyed, since I had 10x optical on the Huawei P30 Pro many years ago, and I really loved that camera.
- _ache_ 2y ago
  I don't know about the 5x optical but the over day I took a picture of a beach. On the phone with x2 I could see a sign that I didn't even noted bared-eyed. With x10 I could actually read the sign only the little phone number alert was unreadable. With my bare eyes I couldn't even read the title of the sign, barely see the sign actually.
- nunez 2y ago
  lol ONLY The fact that we can say that a phone ONLY has any "x" optical zoom is crazy.
- daghamm 2y ago
  Counterpoint: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=phD6UCECIig https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=phD6UCECIig

zokier 2y ago

What is notable here to me is how in computing we used to expect 2x improvement every 18-24 months, so for 20 years that would have meant 1000-10000x improvement. Yet almost all the increases are <1000x here.

lioeters 2y ago
It's probably the software stack consuming more and more of the available hardware capacity. I seem to remember there's a "law", like software expands until it consumes all available capacity.. Ah here it is, Niklaus Wirth in "A Plea for Lean Software" (1995). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wirth's_law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wirth's_law > Wirth's law is an adage on computer performance which states that software is getting slower more rapidly than hardware is becoming faster. > Martin Reiser, who in the preface to his book on the Oberon System wrote: "The hope is that the progress in hardware will cure all software ills. However, a critical observer may observe that software manages to outgrow hardware in size and sluggishness." > "What Intel giveth, Microsoft taketh away" > "Software efficiency halves every 18 months, compensating Moore's law"

epolanski 2y ago

OT but since it's mentioned. Has there been any new evolution in the vision pro space? I haven't heard it mentioned since it was launched, I haven't heard over the internet about people using it at all, nor I've heard of any killer app coming the VR headset.

mkayokay 2y ago

There was also no need to buy a case and a screen protector.

Fnoord 2y ago
I dropped my Nokia E71 once. It had a leather pouch. But to use it, it was out of it, and I dropped it from my hands. Screen wasn't cracked. Minor scratch on aluminium. But some of the keys in qwerty row were broken, including the important 'e'. I sent my device in for repair. A month later I got it back. The problem was gone, but a couple of months later the very problem returned. With a mechanical keyboard, you can replace individial switches. As I wrote elsewhere in this thread: two steps forward, one step back. Or: you win some, you lose some.
nunez 2y ago
People bought faceplates and holsters for their phones.

megous 2y ago

You can also somtimes plug the old nokia phone to USB and start making calls, reading/deleting SMS and many more over standard AT commands. Also very convenient.

michielt 2y ago

* I needed a new phone * Did you really? decided to treat myself Or did you need a dopamine hit ;)

quitit 2y ago

>Battery life has gone down. When you consider that the battery capacity has gone up, you realise how much more power-hungry the S24 Ultra is. Sure the standby time is far lower, but the talk time has greatly increased. The talk time of the Nokia 6600 was between 2 and 4 hours. Our memory of long battery life is simply explained: the phone did very little and we used them far less. Modern smartphones can also perform active user-driven functions without significantly reducing the standby time. For example, continuous music playback can lessen the standby time by as little as 15% on modern devices.

nunez 2y ago
That's an astute observation. Also very true.

kasabali 2y ago

> I don't need to carry my credit/debit cards anymore first world problems?

Fnoord 2y ago
Transportation cards also no longer necessary. It means you can leave your wallet at home, no longer have a wallet (cash no longer status quo), or only have your ID with you (since loyalty cards are also in app on smartphone). Though even for ID I have an app. You say first world problems, but OTOH when you go sport or in summer without many clothes the weight matters. This al works great, until your battery is dead or your device is lost/stolen. Two steps forward, one step back.

nabla9 2y ago

Feature phones have not gone anywhere. Modern feature phones are great for hiking or for children. I have modern Nokia 800 Tough 4Glte with me when I take long hikes - 43 days of standby time from a single charge. 2,100 mAh1 removable battery. - WhatsApp messaging, google maps etc. all basic apps you need.

rpozarickij 2y ago

Smartphones in the same class as the S24 Ultra are marvels of engineering. The fact that we no longer think how amazing modern technology is and instead focus solely on their intended functions is a testament to how much we as a civilization have achieved.

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smitty1e 2y ago

And, if you pair the phone with the smart watch, your watch can help you find the phone. I typically don't use this, as I can get a few more steps in on the tracker wandering around the house looking for the phone, but it does help when time is of essence.