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Rolling blackouts are not power outages. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolling_blackout https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rolling_blackout

Dalewyn 2y ago
What level of Olympic Mental Gymnastics are y'all playing that blackouts are not power outages?
kgeist 2y ago
Well, the article mentions a rolling blackout is also called a rolling outage.
kelnos 2y ago
The word "outage" is literally in the first sentence of the article you linked. If the power is not on, for any reason, it's an outage. Period.
lurking_swe 2y ago
this makes no sense - your statement literally made my brain hurt. i’m not joking. It doesn’t matter if the power company stops supplying power intentionally for safety reasons. Residents are WITHOUT power. Definition of power outage from wikipedia: “A power outage (also called a powercut, a power out, a power failure, a power blackout, a power loss, or a blackout) is the loss of the electrical power network supply to an end user.” Your comment is akin to saying i’m not in the dark if i intentionally flip my circuit breakers off. I’m in the dark, regardless of the intentions.
- labcomputer 2y ago
  Except the rolling blackouts that California experienced were not due to safety reasons or infrastructure failures, but because Enron conspired to schedule (planned) plant maintenance at many facilities at the same time, in order to maximize profit (due to a loophole in CA’s then-newly-deregulated electricity market). The recent “public safety power shutoffs” (which are not rolling blackouts) are also not due to safety reasons, but because PG&E was trying to blackmail the state into bailing them out against lawsuits for the fires they caused. It is a case of “well, shucks, since we can’t absolutely guarantee that our power lines will never start a fire with 100% certainty… I guess we have no choice but to turn off power for some of your constituents, who will be selected in such a way that at least one person in every county will be affected (and thus color the entire map red) but without significantly reducing the number of kWh we deliver (and can charge for) while doing so”. In both cases, the power company was not unable to deliver power, but chose not to because they believed they could score political points by holding ratepayers hostage.
  - lurking_swe 2y ago
    i didn’t know the full details on the california rolling blackouts. Thanks for sharing!

Dalewyn 2y ago

What level of Olympic Mental Gymnastics are y'all playing that blackouts are not power outages?

kgeist 2y ago

Well, the article mentions a rolling blackout is also called a rolling outage.

kelnos 2y ago

The word "outage" is literally in the first sentence of the article you linked. If the power is not on, for any reason, it's an outage. Period.

lurking_swe 2y ago

this makes no sense - your statement literally made my brain hurt. i’m not joking. It doesn’t matter if the power company stops supplying power intentionally for safety reasons. Residents are WITHOUT power. Definition of power outage from wikipedia: “A power outage (also called a powercut, a power out, a power failure, a power blackout, a power loss, or a blackout) is the loss of the electrical power network supply to an end user.” Your comment is akin to saying i’m not in the dark if i intentionally flip my circuit breakers off. I’m in the dark, regardless of the intentions.

labcomputer 2y ago
Except the rolling blackouts that California experienced were not due to safety reasons or infrastructure failures, but because Enron conspired to schedule (planned) plant maintenance at many facilities at the same time, in order to maximize profit (due to a loophole in CA’s then-newly-deregulated electricity market). The recent “public safety power shutoffs” (which are not rolling blackouts) are also not due to safety reasons, but because PG&E was trying to blackmail the state into bailing them out against lawsuits for the fires they caused. It is a case of “well, shucks, since we can’t absolutely guarantee that our power lines will never start a fire with 100% certainty… I guess we have no choice but to turn off power for some of your constituents, who will be selected in such a way that at least one person in every county will be affected (and thus color the entire map red) but without significantly reducing the number of kWh we deliver (and can charge for) while doing so”. In both cases, the power company was not unable to deliver power, but chose not to because they believed they could score political points by holding ratepayers hostage.
- lurking_swe 2y ago
  i didn’t know the full details on the california rolling blackouts. Thanks for sharing!