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The problem is these joint scientific efforts were and continue to be effective tools to diffuse more dangerous possibilities. In case you have forgotten Russi
by jpgvm 2y ago
The problem is these joint scientific efforts were and continue to be effective tools to diffuse more dangerous possibilities.
In case you have forgotten Russia is still the 2nd largest nuclear power and their arsenal is enough to eliminate pretty much all life on Earth.
The war in Ukraine is terrible but don't underestimate how much worse things could get. If things do get worse it's back channels like space collaboration/UN/other symbolic things that can keep people talking enough to not end up cleansing the Earth in nuclear fire. Just because those things are ineffective at stopping a proxy war doesn't mean they aren't worth doing.
For the same reason I also agree that China should be welcomed into the international space community. They are flying state of the art rockets and have their own modern space station... you couple that with the fact they too are an increasingly powerful military nation then more collaboration rather than less is the way to go.
- geuis 2y agoGlad we agree on China at least. I highly disagree about Russia being a modern nuclear power. China and Israel are really the only countries that have the modern infrastructure required to maintain significant nuclear presences other than the US. Russia today is mostly living off of the remnants of pre-1985 Soviet energy infrastructure investments. They have some nuclear capability, but it's far, far below what the US still maintains. Sadly even a reduced capacity is still far above what's needed to mess things up.
- otabdeveloper4 2y agoa) This isn't true, quite the opposite. b) The shilling for "#yolo, let's start nuclear war with Russia" is a bad idea. Trust me. You don't want to go there.
- timcobb 2y agoLiving in the world as a hostage to nuclear weapon yielding crazies is a fate worse than death for some free-minded people.
- TeMPOraL 2y agoShame about those free-minded people; everyone else understands that it's how the world works and why everything isn't on fire. MAD is the foundation of international politics; everything else is role-playing on top of it.
- timcobb 2y ago> MAD is the foundation of international politics MAD is a religion-like fiction by-for people who emotionally need it. People armed with nuclear weapons are coming for us, whether it's emotionally convenient for you or not. And it doesn't matter whether we have nukes, too.
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- timcobb 2y ago> b) The shilling for "#yolo, let's start nuclear war with Russia" is a bad idea. Trust me. You don't want to go there. Russia already went there. We're already there.
- otabdeveloper4 2y agoNo, the constant shilling of the idea that "don't worry, Russia won't do anything anyways" isn't coming from Russia's side.
- underdeserver 2y agoEh, I wouldn't discount India and France so fast.
- lazide 2y agoThey’d have no issues producing a dozen Tsar Bombas even today, no question. Plenty enough to ruin everyone’s day.
- justinator 2y agoTsar Bombas aren’t realistic weapons. Russia is having trouble producing modern tanks and planes. Its ships are being blown up by radio controlled boats with explosives on them. Russia absolutely excels at one thing: the relentless use of its human meat grinder. Nothing fundamental has changed since Stalingrad.
- lazide 2y agoRussia also excels at MAD. And suffering.
- justinator 2y agoSuffering yes -- to an extend that we here in the US have little understanding the depths of. But re: MAD, my point may have been the emperor's new clothes.
- lazide 2y agoThe depths of... so far.
- justinator 2y agoThis isn't the choice or will of the citizens, the government just uses fear of death to exercise control.
- lazide 2y agoI have no idea what you’re trying to say.
- sho 2y ago> I highly disagree about Russia being a modern nuclear power Look, I'm as pissed at Russia as anyone but it doesn't change the facts. They are indisputably a modern nuclear power, and they have ramped up their spending in recent years. It's practically the only thing in their defense they haven't starved of funds. > They have some nuclear capability They don't have "some" nuclear capability. They are equal first or near enough. > China and Israel are really the only countries that have the modern infrastructure Israel!?? Now I'm really questioning your source of information. Whoever told you tiny Israel was anything other than dead last was leading you quite astray, I'm afraid. In fact some would say that Israel's nuclear capability is behind some other countries who don't even possess the weapons.
- meindnoch 2y ago>their arsenal is enough to eliminate pretty much all life on Earth Lol, not even close.