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This is exactly the argument we were all having about crypto a few years ago. "It's early days!" they told us for 10 years. Now crypto is used primarily for cr

by smt88 2y ago

This is exactly the argument we were all having about crypto a few years ago. "It's early days!" they told us for 10 years. Now crypto is used primarily for crime and speculation, which is exactly what we'll be using GenAI for in a few years, especially as it poisons its own source of training data.

kaonwarb 2y ago
Key difference from my perspective: I never did hear a convincing use case for large-scale use of crypto. It's really easy to make one for AI.
- sebastos 2y ago
  Well… “use it as money for the entire world” is about as large scale of a use case as you’ll ever find. The issue wasn’t that there was no use-case, it’s that none of the crypto technologies were good enough to actually fulfill that use case. Blockchain wasn’t the right answer - it was just a precursor technology flirting with the right concepts. I’d argue that transformer-driven AI could follow the exact same trajectory: hype cycle driven by people imagining legitimately transformative use cases, which is ultimately popped when we realize the actual here-and-now implementations don’t work that way. The idea of transferring value over the internet using one common, frictionless, ownerless system isn’t dead; it can’t be, because it’s simply too good of an idea. But nothing actually offers that. Actual artificial intelligence is, likewise, too good of an idea to ever be “dispelled” or dismantled. The only room for doubt is whether the technical designs we have today are actually AI… or just some wannabe scam coins that LOOK like AI.
anytime5704 2y ago
Crypto (currency) never served a real use case other than pump and dumps or dark web transactions. GenAI is used by people for all sorts of purposes. Anecdotally, it has largely replaced my own usage of traditional search engines. This strikes me as a false equivalence the same way comparisons to the dot com bubble do.
- smt88 2y ago
  I have found hallucinations to be bad enough that I can't use it as a search engine. Even Google's AI search is awful. How do you deal with its likelihood of being convincingly wrong, even if it's small?
  - anytime5704 2y ago
    There’s a time and a place for checking its work. Depending on the search, I either don’t care, or I use something like perplexity, which includes its references.
- rhdunn 2y ago
  I'm using it primarily for code autocomplete, interactive story telling, and listening to online articles and stories. I don't think the current generation of AI will go away -- there are too many use cases for it. I think it will take some time as people and companies experiment with it, find what works and what doesn't. Then, some use cases will disappear but others will remain -- like how autocorrect came from previous generation of AI tech. --- With the code autocomplete it works best when there is repetitive logic such as doing the same thing for each variable in a class. With interactive story telling it can be good, but can often say things that don't make sense or not pick up on the subtext of what you are saying. It can still be entertaining. -- I still use other forms of entertainment. On the TTS side, I've been using it for reading articles and stories for a long time. The current gen models are very good quality wise, but need work on accuracy and artefacts in generation.

by smt88 2y ago

kaonwarb 2y ago

Key difference from my perspective: I never did hear a convincing use case for large-scale use of crypto. It's really easy to make one for AI.

sebastos 2y ago
Well… “use it as money for the entire world” is about as large scale of a use case as you’ll ever find. The issue wasn’t that there was no use-case, it’s that none of the crypto technologies were good enough to actually fulfill that use case. Blockchain wasn’t the right answer - it was just a precursor technology flirting with the right concepts. I’d argue that transformer-driven AI could follow the exact same trajectory: hype cycle driven by people imagining legitimately transformative use cases, which is ultimately popped when we realize the actual here-and-now implementations don’t work that way. The idea of transferring value over the internet using one common, frictionless, ownerless system isn’t dead; it can’t be, because it’s simply too good of an idea. But nothing actually offers that. Actual artificial intelligence is, likewise, too good of an idea to ever be “dispelled” or dismantled. The only room for doubt is whether the technical designs we have today are actually AI… or just some wannabe scam coins that LOOK like AI.

anytime5704 2y ago

Crypto (currency) never served a real use case other than pump and dumps or dark web transactions. GenAI is used by people for all sorts of purposes. Anecdotally, it has largely replaced my own usage of traditional search engines. This strikes me as a false equivalence the same way comparisons to the dot com bubble do.

smt88 2y ago
I have found hallucinations to be bad enough that I can't use it as a search engine. Even Google's AI search is awful. How do you deal with its likelihood of being convincingly wrong, even if it's small?
- anytime5704 2y ago
  There’s a time and a place for checking its work. Depending on the search, I either don’t care, or I use something like perplexity, which includes its references.
rhdunn 2y ago
I'm using it primarily for code autocomplete, interactive story telling, and listening to online articles and stories. I don't think the current generation of AI will go away -- there are too many use cases for it. I think it will take some time as people and companies experiment with it, find what works and what doesn't. Then, some use cases will disappear but others will remain -- like how autocorrect came from previous generation of AI tech. --- With the code autocomplete it works best when there is repetitive logic such as doing the same thing for each variable in a class. With interactive story telling it can be good, but can often say things that don't make sense or not pick up on the subtext of what you are saying. It can still be entertaining. -- I still use other forms of entertainment. On the TTS side, I've been using it for reading articles and stories for a long time. The current gen models are very good quality wise, but need work on accuracy and artefacts in generation.