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Managing a farm of virtualenvs and mucking about with my PATH doesn't address the user-installable problem at all. And it seems there's a new tool to try every

by arp242 2y ago

Managing a farm of virtualenvs and mucking about with my PATH doesn't address the user-installable problem at all. And it seems there's a new tool to try every few months that really will fix all problems this time. And maybe if you're a Python developer working on the code every day that's all brilliant. But most people aren't Python developers, and I just want to try that "Show HN" project or whatnot. Give me a single command I can run. Always. For any project. And that always works. If you don't have that then your build system needs work.

simonw 2y ago
"Give me a single command I can run. Always. For any project. And that always works." pipx install X
- arp242 2y ago
  Right so; I'll try that next time. Thanks. I just go by the very prominent "pip install X" on every pypi page (as well as "pip install .." in many READMEs).
  - simonw 2y ago
    Yeah, totally understand that - pipx is still pretty poorly known by people who are active in Python development! A few of my READMEs start like this: https://github.com/simonw/paginate-json?tab=readme-ov-file#installation https://github.com/simonw/paginate-json?tab=readme-ov-file#i... ## Installation pip install paginate-json Or use pipx (link to pipx site) pipx install paginate-json But I checked and actually most them still don't even mention it. I'll be fixing that in the future.
    - arp242 2y ago
      Out of the 3 things I want to install 2 don't work. Both of these seem bugs in pipx so I reported one, but the feedback was borderline hostile and it ended up being closed with "unclear what you want". I'm not even going to bother reporting the other bug. So whatever the goals are, it doesn't really work. And in general pipx does not strike me as a serious project.
- pletnes 2y ago
  Pipx is great! Although, I always seem to have to set up PATH, at least on windows?
Ringz 2y ago
That single command is pipx.
zo1 2y ago
I could say the exact same stuff about NodeJs, c++, go, rust, php, etc. All of these are easy to use and debug and "install easily" when you know them and use them regularly, and the opposite if you're new. Doubly-so if you personally don't like that language or have some personal pet peeve about it's choices. Guys let's not pretend like this is somehow unique to python. It's only until about a few years ago that it was incredibly difficult to install and use npm on windows. Arguably the language ecosystem with the most cumulative hipster-dev hours thrown at it, and it still was a horrible "dev experience".
- lordfrikk 2y ago
  That does not match my experience. I've been working with Python for a year or so and the packaging problems come up every now and then still. I've installed/built a few packages written in Go and Rust specifically and had no problems.

by arp242 2y ago

simonw 2y ago

"Give me a single command I can run. Always. For any project. And that always works." pipx install X

arp242 2y ago
Right so; I'll try that next time. Thanks. I just go by the very prominent "pip install X" on every pypi page (as well as "pip install .." in many READMEs).
- simonw 2y ago
  Yeah, totally understand that - pipx is still pretty poorly known by people who are active in Python development! A few of my READMEs start like this: https://github.com/simonw/paginate-json?tab=readme-ov-file#installation https://github.com/simonw/paginate-json?tab=readme-ov-file#i... ## Installation pip install paginate-json Or use pipx (link to pipx site) pipx install paginate-json But I checked and actually most them still don't even mention it. I'll be fixing that in the future.
  - arp242 2y ago
    Out of the 3 things I want to install 2 don't work. Both of these seem bugs in pipx so I reported one, but the feedback was borderline hostile and it ended up being closed with "unclear what you want". I'm not even going to bother reporting the other bug. So whatever the goals are, it doesn't really work. And in general pipx does not strike me as a serious project.
pletnes 2y ago
Pipx is great! Although, I always seem to have to set up PATH, at least on windows?

Ringz 2y ago

That single command is pipx.

zo1 2y ago

I could say the exact same stuff about NodeJs, c++, go, rust, php, etc. All of these are easy to use and debug and "install easily" when you know them and use them regularly, and the opposite if you're new. Doubly-so if you personally don't like that language or have some personal pet peeve about it's choices. Guys let's not pretend like this is somehow unique to python. It's only until about a few years ago that it was incredibly difficult to install and use npm on windows. Arguably the language ecosystem with the most cumulative hipster-dev hours thrown at it, and it still was a horrible "dev experience".

lordfrikk 2y ago
That does not match my experience. I've been working with Python for a year or so and the packaging problems come up every now and then still. I've installed/built a few packages written in Go and Rust specifically and had no problems.