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Every txt and phone call, every email and letter sent to your address along with every utility bill (list goes on) has been saved since at least 1999/2000 to pr

Every txt and phone call, every email and letter sent to your address along with every utility bill (list goes on) has been saved since at least 1999/2000 to present day. People like Bernie went to jail because they pushed back and it was all because of this.... Just saying.

tomrod 2y ago
... letter?
- ChumpGPT 2y ago
  Anything you receive via post office. Sender/Receiver address is scanned. Post office uses OCR's for sortation and that information is captured.
  - tomrod 2y ago
    Ah. The metadata. Inconsequential, then, to a degree.
    - dredmorbius 2y ago
      "We Kill People Based on Metadata", ex-NSA chief General Michael Hayden: <https://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2014/05/ex-nsa-chief-we-kill-people-based-on-metadata https://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2014/05/ex-nsa-chief-...> As Bruce Schneier has noted, metadata equals surveillance, as it's actually far more amenable to analysis and inference than whole-text or audio capture. Though that latter may have shifted significantly with the rise of LLM AI techniques. <https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2014/03/metadata_survei.html https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2014/03/metadata_surv...>
- dredmorbius 2y ago
  This is probably a reference to US postal or mail covers. The USPS takes images of most or all postal mail as part of its delivery and postal sorting/routing processes. Those covers are retained for a limited period of time, and actually have, so far as I understand, significant privacy protections associated with them, of the sort notably absent in most electronic communications. See: Mail Cover (Wikipedia): Mail cover is a law enforcement investigative technique in which the United States Postal Service, acting at the request of a law enforcement agency, records information from the outside of letters and parcels before they are delivered and then sends the information to the agency that requested it.[1] The Postal Service grants mail cover surveillance requests for about 30 days and may extend them for up to 120 days. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mail_cover https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mail_cover> MICT: Mail Isolation Control and Tracking (Wikipedia): [A]n imaging system employed by the United States Postal Service (USPS) that takes photographs of the exterior of every piece of mail that is processed in the United States.[1] The Postmaster General has stated that the system is primarily used for mail sorting,[2] though it also enables the USPS to retroactively track mail correspondence at the request of law enforcement.[2] It was created in the aftermath of the 2001 anthrax attacks that killed five people.. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mail_Isolation_Control_and_Tracking https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mail_Isolation_Control_and_Tra...> 39 CFR § 233.3 - Mail covers. <https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/39/233.3 https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/39/233.3>
  - kevin_thibedeau 2y ago
    You can sign up to have them email you a daily summary of your mail deliveries including the associated images they've logged under USPS Informed Delivery.
    - dredmorbius 2y ago
      Right, more info here: <https://www.usps.com/manage/informed-delivery.htm https://www.usps.com/manage/informed-delivery.htm> (I was ... vaguely aware of this.)
fsagx 2y ago
who's Bernie?

tomrod 2y ago

... letter?

ChumpGPT 2y ago
Anything you receive via post office. Sender/Receiver address is scanned. Post office uses OCR's for sortation and that information is captured.
- tomrod 2y ago
  Ah. The metadata. Inconsequential, then, to a degree.
  - dredmorbius 2y ago
    "We Kill People Based on Metadata", ex-NSA chief General Michael Hayden: <https://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2014/05/ex-nsa-chief-we-kill-people-based-on-metadata https://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2014/05/ex-nsa-chief-...> As Bruce Schneier has noted, metadata equals surveillance, as it's actually far more amenable to analysis and inference than whole-text or audio capture. Though that latter may have shifted significantly with the rise of LLM AI techniques. <https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2014/03/metadata_survei.html https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2014/03/metadata_surv...>
dredmorbius 2y ago
This is probably a reference to US postal or mail covers. The USPS takes images of most or all postal mail as part of its delivery and postal sorting/routing processes. Those covers are retained for a limited period of time, and actually have, so far as I understand, significant privacy protections associated with them, of the sort notably absent in most electronic communications. See: Mail Cover (Wikipedia): Mail cover is a law enforcement investigative technique in which the United States Postal Service, acting at the request of a law enforcement agency, records information from the outside of letters and parcels before they are delivered and then sends the information to the agency that requested it.[1] The Postal Service grants mail cover surveillance requests for about 30 days and may extend them for up to 120 days. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mail_cover https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mail_cover> MICT: Mail Isolation Control and Tracking (Wikipedia): [A]n imaging system employed by the United States Postal Service (USPS) that takes photographs of the exterior of every piece of mail that is processed in the United States.[1] The Postmaster General has stated that the system is primarily used for mail sorting,[2] though it also enables the USPS to retroactively track mail correspondence at the request of law enforcement.[2] It was created in the aftermath of the 2001 anthrax attacks that killed five people.. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mail_Isolation_Control_and_Tracking https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mail_Isolation_Control_and_Tra...> 39 CFR § 233.3 - Mail covers. <https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/39/233.3 https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/39/233.3>
- kevin_thibedeau 2y ago
  You can sign up to have them email you a daily summary of your mail deliveries including the associated images they've logged under USPS Informed Delivery.
  - dredmorbius 2y ago
    Right, more info here: <https://www.usps.com/manage/informed-delivery.htm https://www.usps.com/manage/informed-delivery.htm> (I was ... vaguely aware of this.)

fsagx 2y ago

who's Bernie?