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OpenAI working on reasoning tech under code name 'Strawberry'

69 points by AlexErrant 2y ago

AlexErrant 2y ago
> Strawberry has similarities to a method developed at Stanford in 2022 called "Self-Taught Reasoner” or “STaR” Previous HN discussion about "Quiet-STaR", 280 pts with 265 comments https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39713634 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39713634
- alok-g 2y ago
  Interesting that OpenAI's was previously named Q-Star, and now Strawberry. Both names have a match with STaR.
drdeca 2y ago
Is it named after the “create a copy of the strawberry on this plate, identical at the cell level but not at the molecular level” task (“at the cell level” meaning, has a cell of the same kind at corresponding locations, but ‘what molecules are where’ does not matter to the task.) ?
- viraptor 2y ago
  Or it may be simply a meme name because of people bringing up the silly "count the Rs in strawberry" prompt.
  - drdeca 2y ago
    Oh, that seems more likely
testfrequency 2y ago
This headline is my signal to go grab another beer and put my phone down. Happy Friday, humans
typon 2y ago
Why is this news?
- AlexErrant 2y ago
  I was kinda hoping to incite discussion about reasoning AIs and how they could work, hence my STaR callout, but I think we're all equally in the dark here.
- cubefox 2y ago
  Because it indicates that OpenAI has achieved a significant AI breakthrough. It seems inappropriate that this post is no longer on the frontpage.
  - Slyfox33 2y ago
    It doesn't indicate anything. There's no proof or evidence yet. It's just OpenAI spokespeople hyping themselves up.
    - cubefox 2y ago
      You apparently didn't read the article.
      - Slyfox33 2y ago
        I did read the article.
- ai4ever 2y ago
  isnt AGI around the corner for the last year or so ? about time we are tired of this sh* .
unraveller 2y ago
Leaked for maximum power of suggestion because a blog post without strict definitions for Reasoning would cop a lot of flack. This way you are hyped to think of their progress as totally encompassing your widest definition of reasoning that no one else has yet achieved.
- astromaniak 2y ago
  Interpretation of "reasoning" looks to be a matter of opinion, like AI and AGI. If it's sequential application of some rules, then there is a lot of 'reasoning' software around. Almost all of it. There is no strict boundary where it becomes 'AI'. However, even stochastic parrots like ChatGPT can be extremely useful and outperform humans on some tasks. So, OpenAI talking about reasoning actually didn't say much. Their GPT is already doing it at some level, it can even spell it out step by step.
Bluestein 2y ago
(And it was thus the Beatle's, fabled four, their prophecy came true. In fields, forever ...)
mikepalmer 2y ago
"... with the aim of enabling the company’s AI... to plan ahead enough to navigate the internet autonomously and reliably to perform what OpenAI terms “deep research...” Nice... let the AGI loose on the internet... what could go wrong? :-P Prompt: "ChatGPT, can you give me the phone and text records of all AT&T customers?" ChatGPT: "Sure thing! ..." https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40944505 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40944505 (ATT data breach)
rurban 2y ago
I still have no idea how they practically want to solve the logic problem with their simplistic approach, without something like cyc. They have no way to prove or disprove partial factoids in their token streams. Even if they manage to find those factoid regions, as explained in their paper. How is their feedback loop driven? Who gives the correct answers? They can simplify and abstract speech, OK, but reasoning needs some logically driven feedback loop. Knowledge. And no, Wikipedia is not a source of truth. Highly manipulated.
floppiplopp 2y ago
"How Strawberry works is a tightly kept secret even within OpenAI, the person said." The mystery continues. It can only be solved by adding more venture capital.

69 points by AlexErrant 2y ago

> Strawberry has similarities to a method developed at Stanford in 2022 called "Self-Taught Reasoner” or “STaR” Previous HN discussion about "Quiet-STaR", 280 pts with 265 comments https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39713634 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=39713634

alok-g 2y ago
Interesting that OpenAI's was previously named Q-Star, and now Strawberry. Both names have a match with STaR.

drdeca 2y ago

Is it named after the “create a copy of the strawberry on this plate, identical at the cell level but not at the molecular level” task (“at the cell level” meaning, has a cell of the same kind at corresponding locations, but ‘what molecules are where’ does not matter to the task.) ?

viraptor 2y ago
Or it may be simply a meme name because of people bringing up the silly "count the Rs in strawberry" prompt.
- drdeca 2y ago
  Oh, that seems more likely

testfrequency 2y ago

This headline is my signal to go grab another beer and put my phone down. Happy Friday, humans

typon 2y ago

Why is this news?

AlexErrant 2y ago
I was kinda hoping to incite discussion about reasoning AIs and how they could work, hence my STaR callout, but I think we're all equally in the dark here.
cubefox 2y ago
Because it indicates that OpenAI has achieved a significant AI breakthrough. It seems inappropriate that this post is no longer on the frontpage.
- Slyfox33 2y ago
  It doesn't indicate anything. There's no proof or evidence yet. It's just OpenAI spokespeople hyping themselves up.
  - cubefox 2y ago
    You apparently didn't read the article.
    - Slyfox33 2y ago
      I did read the article.
ai4ever 2y ago
isnt AGI around the corner for the last year or so ? about time we are tired of this sh* .

unraveller 2y ago

Leaked for maximum power of suggestion because a blog post without strict definitions for Reasoning would cop a lot of flack. This way you are hyped to think of their progress as totally encompassing your widest definition of reasoning that no one else has yet achieved.

astromaniak 2y ago
Interpretation of "reasoning" looks to be a matter of opinion, like AI and AGI. If it's sequential application of some rules, then there is a lot of 'reasoning' software around. Almost all of it. There is no strict boundary where it becomes 'AI'. However, even stochastic parrots like ChatGPT can be extremely useful and outperform humans on some tasks. So, OpenAI talking about reasoning actually didn't say much. Their GPT is already doing it at some level, it can even spell it out step by step.

Bluestein 2y ago

(And it was thus the Beatle's, fabled four, their prophecy came true. In fields, forever ...)

mikepalmer 2y ago

"... with the aim of enabling the company’s AI... to plan ahead enough to navigate the internet autonomously and reliably to perform what OpenAI terms “deep research...” Nice... let the AGI loose on the internet... what could go wrong? :-P Prompt: "ChatGPT, can you give me the phone and text records of all AT&T customers?" ChatGPT: "Sure thing! ..." https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40944505 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40944505 (ATT data breach)

rurban 2y ago

I still have no idea how they practically want to solve the logic problem with their simplistic approach, without something like cyc. They have no way to prove or disprove partial factoids in their token streams. Even if they manage to find those factoid regions, as explained in their paper. How is their feedback loop driven? Who gives the correct answers? They can simplify and abstract speech, OK, but reasoning needs some logically driven feedback loop. Knowledge. And no, Wikipedia is not a source of truth. Highly manipulated.

floppiplopp 2y ago

"How Strawberry works is a tightly kept secret even within OpenAI, the person said." The mystery continues. It can only be solved by adding more venture capital.