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In summary: “screw you, I got mine. Go some where else”.
by elteto 2y ago
In summary: “screw you, I got mine. Go some where else”.
- MaxHoppersGhost 2y agoOP whines about the entitled but sounds like he’s pretty entitled as well.
- happytoexplain 2y agoThe fact that replies of this quality level are so common on this topic even on HN, where internet-style sarcasm/bitterness is otherwise relatively rare, makes me desperately sad. It just makes me feel like nobody cares about anybody. I understand you probably have good intentions, but please don't fan the flames of hatred on yet another topic we simply can't seem to be rational about as a culture. There is no unambiguous moral high-ground on virtually any topic, particularly this one.
- asdff 2y agoI think many are just exhausted by all the people who constantly miss the forest for the trees on this issue. Supply and demand isn't really something that is taught in our school system unless you go on to take classes that go over this and other basic economic theories.
- blackeyeblitzar 2y agoIt’s not about “getting mine”. If I and neighbors have a community, governing it ourselves to maintain our quality of life makes sense. We have put in time and work and money to make our communities what they are. Now others look at these communities and want it for themselves but with the job they want to be in, with the price they can pay, etc. That’s just not reasonable and especially because it requires current residents to subsidize them with a loss of their own quality of life. For example if there is more traffic or less parking or more crowds at parks, it takes away quality of life from the rest of us. Decisions on density and zoning should remain local, because of how local these decisions and impacts can be, and how directly it impacts current local residents. By the way I would be happy to even pay taxes to encourage economic or housing development in other cities to strike a balance between affordability and protecting quality of life. I see an often repeated false attack against anti density people that they just care about their house’s value. That’s not on my mind at all. I just don’t want to have my neighborhood crumble into every other decrepit high density city I’ve lived in previously, after building a life that fits me well over years, just because a sudden influx of newcomers want to change everything. Is that really any more “selfish” than those seeking to move in and take away local zoning and permitting process?
- MaxHoppersGhost 2y agoThis is the same logic folks used to keep black people out of their neighborhood.
- happytoexplain 2y agoPeople using a line of logic to justify racism doesn't make the logic itself faulty. That would be onerous. If you disagree with the parent, do so, rather than calling them racist. Please save that for other parts of the internet (or for overtly racist people).
- asdff 2y agoI don't see that comment as calling out the previous commenter as a racist, just highlighting how brittle the logic actually is. I think the lesson is that humans are in fact fungible, and doling out preferential treatment of them in terms of ancestry or color or economics or merely owning land isn't in the spirit of an egalitarian democracy. We certainly don't live in one of those today, but I think we like to at least pretend we do and we should strive for it.
- poisonarena 2y agowhat generally happens to a neighborhood after that particular demographic shift happens?
- asdff 2y agoI really hope you aren't implying that black people cause crime, because that's what this comment reads like.
- Gibbon1 2y agoIf you look back to the early 1900's you find that excluding minorities was a big reason for zoning regulations and minimum lot sizes. Minorities tended to live in apartments so banning apartments was a good way to keep them out. Immigrants and minorities tend to live in multi-generational households. Ban that as well.