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> being able to say that someone is actually in a room instead of just sensing motion I often thought that Apple's UWB chip is going to be used for this someti

> being able to say that someone is actually in a room instead of just sensing motion I often thought that Apple's UWB chip is going to be used for this sometime in the future. Just think; we know Timmy is upstairs watching TV, two people are in the living room, someone just opened the garage door and all the sudden joined WiFi. Apple: we have real estate data inference. Time to monetize it.

nerdjon 2y ago
Honestly I have wondered about this for a long time, I already have homepods all around the house I would imagine given that chip it likely would not be too difficult to say that someone is in a given room. I imagine that hardest part is setup, like would the UI just have you walk around with phone to define walls. What if the homepod moves? Maybe I am over estimating the technology, but if I could ask "where are my keys" and it says "it is in the bedroom" it would be fantastic.
- fragmede 2y ago
  For everything that would be great, but I'm not the only person who has an Apple Airtag on their keys and wallet because of how fantastic that ability is.
  - nerdjon 2y ago
    I am confused by the second part, not sure what the problem with that is? I can already ask the homepod "where are my keys" and it knows what airtag(keys) is mine. It just doesnt tell me by room, just pings it and if for some reason it isnt home it says the address. But yeah, if there was somehow room level tracking I would have significantly more Airtags. Easily one of my favorite pieces of tech in a long time.
KennyBlanken 2y ago
I will never understand why people claim Apple is aggressively trying to monetize user data when their whole business model is not monetizing user data and they have moved towards device-side features and greater user privacy from Apple or anyone else. For example, iPhones around the 11 or 12, and Apple Silicon Macs, gained the ability to do voice recognition for siri, and dictation, on-device. Apple servers are only used when Siri is asked to do something that would require it, like asking for a web search, the weather, etc.) OneDrive, Dropbox, and Google Drive all do not support E2EE. iCloud does. Meanwhile Google is not only monetizing your data but also using you, your device, and your data plan as a free data collection platform for their services. Notice that Apple rather famously told the FBI to go pound sand when they were asked for help decrypting a mass-shooter's cell phone? Notice that you can shut off all of the user-sourced data (like traffic congestion and wifi/cellular network location data collection) on iOS, and there are no such controls on Android? Did you notice that one company's devices are much cheaper than the other's, just like those "smart TVs" are much cheaper than "dumb" TVs were? That's because to Google, you and your data is the product...
- fragmede 2y ago
  > I will never understand why people claim Apple is aggressively trying to monetize user data Because they are a company, and companies loooove money. And data is worth a lot of money. The App store has ads at the top of every search. Apple's had a taste of that money and, is the cynics are too be believed, it's only a matter of time before the whole company succumbs. If you think Apple is somehow genetically incapable of bad ideas, remember client side CSAM scanning?

nerdjon 2y ago

Honestly I have wondered about this for a long time, I already have homepods all around the house I would imagine given that chip it likely would not be too difficult to say that someone is in a given room. I imagine that hardest part is setup, like would the UI just have you walk around with phone to define walls. What if the homepod moves? Maybe I am over estimating the technology, but if I could ask "where are my keys" and it says "it is in the bedroom" it would be fantastic.

fragmede 2y ago
For everything that would be great, but I'm not the only person who has an Apple Airtag on their keys and wallet because of how fantastic that ability is.
- nerdjon 2y ago
  I am confused by the second part, not sure what the problem with that is? I can already ask the homepod "where are my keys" and it knows what airtag(keys) is mine. It just doesnt tell me by room, just pings it and if for some reason it isnt home it says the address. But yeah, if there was somehow room level tracking I would have significantly more Airtags. Easily one of my favorite pieces of tech in a long time.

KennyBlanken 2y ago

I will never understand why people claim Apple is aggressively trying to monetize user data when their whole business model is not monetizing user data and they have moved towards device-side features and greater user privacy from Apple or anyone else. For example, iPhones around the 11 or 12, and Apple Silicon Macs, gained the ability to do voice recognition for siri, and dictation, on-device. Apple servers are only used when Siri is asked to do something that would require it, like asking for a web search, the weather, etc.) OneDrive, Dropbox, and Google Drive all do not support E2EE. iCloud does. Meanwhile Google is not only monetizing your data but also using you, your device, and your data plan as a free data collection platform for their services. Notice that Apple rather famously told the FBI to go pound sand when they were asked for help decrypting a mass-shooter's cell phone? Notice that you can shut off all of the user-sourced data (like traffic congestion and wifi/cellular network location data collection) on iOS, and there are no such controls on Android? Did you notice that one company's devices are much cheaper than the other's, just like those "smart TVs" are much cheaper than "dumb" TVs were? That's because to Google, you and your data is the product...

fragmede 2y ago
> I will never understand why people claim Apple is aggressively trying to monetize user data Because they are a company, and companies loooove money. And data is worth a lot of money. The App store has ads at the top of every search. Apple's had a taste of that money and, is the cynics are too be believed, it's only a matter of time before the whole company succumbs. If you think Apple is somehow genetically incapable of bad ideas, remember client side CSAM scanning?