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As an artist I have a perspective on color from a pragmatic (as opposed to theoretical) point of view. Visual artists use materials like paints or inks applied
by jrapdx3 2y ago
As an artist I have a perspective on color from a pragmatic (as opposed to theoretical) point of view. Visual artists use materials like paints or inks applied to substrates. These all are exploiting subtractive color, primaries are complements of additive color, CMY vs. RGB.
The standard color wheel interleaves CMY with RGB, which sets up useful symmetries and complementary relationships. But of course, the color wheel is really a color cylinder, or set of cylinders when color properties other than hue are considered. Color saturation and value are crucial to artistic work, but when these additional dimensions are accounted for it's no longer the simple model the basic color wheel portrays.
Color classification systems emerged in the 20th century and over time evolved into the highly rigorous regimes codified by the International Color Consortium. Everybody is familiar with ICC profiles and their uses. I can't say I have a thorough understanding of them, I'd guess relatively few people do.
Artists don't have handy ICC profiles to guide creating a painting or print. They learn how to mix colors mainly by trial and error. However the paints and inks are precisely formulated by manufacturers who very much understand the science of color. This precision results in product constancy which makes life far easier for artists. With experience they gain an intuitive "fix" on particular colors and their locations on the extended color wheel.
To make it even more convoluted there are metallics, gold, silver, copper, etc. and the range of man-made iridescent and interference pigments. These "colors" aren't easy to merge with even multidimensional color "wheels" (or matrices). Nonetheless, people typically interpret these pigments as colors.
A subtle factor is opaque vs. transparent color effects. These aren't mutually exclusive, but in "pure" form are distinct. Opaque colors may be mixed to form an intermediate color, but at lower saturation and value. More than not this is how people are taught to manipulate colors often in accordance with the basic color wheel.
Transparent colors may be mixed like opaques, with somewhat similar results. However, layering transparent colors potentially produces extended effects. While both opaque mixing and layered color are subtractive, layering can combine in several ways producing multiple "virtual" colors modified by filtering effects of layers.
Any color wheel, or multidimensional matrix, is unlikely to accommodate the numerous ways colors combine or mix, or non-color colors. Artists use color wheels or more complex structures to gain pragmatic info about the colors they're using and predict results of manipulations. In any case, most real-world paints, inks, etc., don't behave like pure colors. A color wheel is only valuable as a pragmatically useful tool.
- mncharity 2y ago> Artists don't have handy ICC profiles to guide creating a painting There's some paint app which uses pigment spectra and a physics model for blending and layering. I don't recall now whether/how it shows you that underlying spectra and such. If students did have pigment profiles handy as a guide, how might one imagine using that to better teach color?
- jrapdx3 2y agoI'm not familiar with an app showing spectra of pigments as used in painting, etc. Some high-end printers (plotters) incorporate spectrophotometers to measure properties of colors, but that's a highly controlled use of colorants. In contrast, a painter can use a color in thick or thin layers, mixed with white, or clear medium, among other variations. And pigments can work differently in oil vs. acrylic vs. watercolor media. The spectrophotometric properties of a pigment change depending on usage so the information gleaned from measurement would probably not be that useful. OTOH some manufacturers offer visual color mixing guides that can be helpful to artists. Here's one I've used from time to time: https://goldenartistcolors.com/mixer/acrylic?tab=color-system https://goldenartistcolors.com/mixer/acrylic?tab=color-syste... This offers matching artists colors to RGB or CMYK specifications.
- mncharity 2y ago> app I failed to quickly find the painting app I'm trying to remember. Though there's FocalPaint[1] (12 channel multispectral). Maybe it's Rebelle[2]? It looks like there's unfinished work[5] for Krita? Mixbox[6] is related, but avoids actual spectra. > mixing guide Neat. ColorMixingTools[3] is similar, with a drop2color and color2drop, and online[4] and derived apps. [1] https://www.focalpaint.com/p/focalpaint.html https://www.focalpaint.com/p/focalpaint.html [2] https://www.escapemotions.com/products/rebelle/about https://www.escapemotions.com/products/rebelle/about [3] https://zsolt-kovacs.unibs.it/colormixingtools https://zsolt-kovacs.unibs.it/colormixingtools https://zsolt-kovacs.unibs.it/colormixingtools/cmt-drop2color https://zsolt-kovacs.unibs.it/colormixingtools/cmt-drop2colo... https://zsolt-kovacs.unibs.it/colormixingtools/cmt-color2drop https://zsolt-kovacs.unibs.it/colormixingtools/cmt-color2dro... [4] https://sensuallogic.com/paintmaker https://sensuallogic.com/paintmaker [5] https://invent.kde.org/graphics/krita/-/merge_requests/1783 https://invent.kde.org/graphics/krita/-/merge_requests/1783 https://krita-artists.org/t/paint-like-color-mixing-kubelka-munk/78156 https://krita-artists.org/t/paint-like-color-mixing-kubelka-... [6] https://github.com/scrtwpns/mixbox https://github.com/scrtwpns/mixbox