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I just wanted to point out the fact that we are working on referring to legal offers where these are available (especially in the US). We completely agree with

I just wanted to point out the fact that we are working on referring to legal offers where these are available (especially in the US). We completely agree with the don't make me steal manifesto which explains the issue in European countries: http://www.dontmakemesteal.com/en/ http://www.dontmakemesteal.com/en/

nchuhoai 14y ago
I have no problem with people trying to voice their opinions on distribution, price or convenience as your manifesto points out. I have a problem with the entitlement or even "right" to consume a product or service if you have other opinions on the conditions of such consumption. I say it again, if you don't like the conditions, don't buy. If you don't like a product in the store because of its price, it's apparence, it's production environment, what you do it to use your buying power and market pressure to force alternatives. If those alternatives do not spring up, that probably means that a sufficient amount of people are fine with the conditions of the product or service for the business to disregard people like you.
- gizzlon 14y ago
  "I say it again, if you don't like the conditions, don't buy" Sure, but there's no (real) competition. They all behave the same. If I could buy movies with no copy protection, it would influence my decision a lot. "If those alternatives do not spring up, that probably means that a sufficient amount of people are fine with the conditions of the product.." Maybe. Or maybe people downloading "vents" enough of the frustration people have. Downloading are the alternatives, maybe the only alternatives.
  - nchuhoai 14y ago
    As said, I believe the major reason for there not being real competition is that enough people are fine with the current condition. We cannot assume that every niche can be served. I'm not doubting people download to "vent", but isn't that independent of the moralic discussion of whether someone should be entitled to download?
    - gizzlon 14y ago
      Yes, but maybe enough people are fine with the current condition because they can download. If they couldn't, more people would be frustrated with status quo and force something else to appear. "..but isn't that independent of the moralic discussion.." Well, one could argue that since they refuse to make an alternative, people can resort to the only alternative there is.
  - sukuriant 14y ago
    They all behave the same? I have one movie in particular, Gamers: Dorkness Rising, that has a section on piracy. It says that they encourage people to share this movie with their friends, burn it, copy it, whatever. So, there are some companies that do allow for the movies to be shared. Oh, now here's a fun situation we find ourselves in. The movie company themselves openly encourage people to share the movie. Now people are sharing the movie. Are you going to pay for the movie as well, to encourage them to make more movies so that they can continue their share the movie practice? Hm...

nchuhoai 14y ago

I have no problem with people trying to voice their opinions on distribution, price or convenience as your manifesto points out. I have a problem with the entitlement or even "right" to consume a product or service if you have other opinions on the conditions of such consumption. I say it again, if you don't like the conditions, don't buy. If you don't like a product in the store because of its price, it's apparence, it's production environment, what you do it to use your buying power and market pressure to force alternatives. If those alternatives do not spring up, that probably means that a sufficient amount of people are fine with the conditions of the product or service for the business to disregard people like you.

gizzlon 14y ago
"I say it again, if you don't like the conditions, don't buy" Sure, but there's no (real) competition. They all behave the same. If I could buy movies with no copy protection, it would influence my decision a lot. "If those alternatives do not spring up, that probably means that a sufficient amount of people are fine with the conditions of the product.." Maybe. Or maybe people downloading "vents" enough of the frustration people have. Downloading are the alternatives, maybe the only alternatives.
- nchuhoai 14y ago
  As said, I believe the major reason for there not being real competition is that enough people are fine with the current condition. We cannot assume that every niche can be served. I'm not doubting people download to "vent", but isn't that independent of the moralic discussion of whether someone should be entitled to download?
  - gizzlon 14y ago
    Yes, but maybe enough people are fine with the current condition because they can download. If they couldn't, more people would be frustrated with status quo and force something else to appear. "..but isn't that independent of the moralic discussion.." Well, one could argue that since they refuse to make an alternative, people can resort to the only alternative there is.
- sukuriant 14y ago
  They all behave the same? I have one movie in particular, Gamers: Dorkness Rising, that has a section on piracy. It says that they encourage people to share this movie with their friends, burn it, copy it, whatever. So, there are some companies that do allow for the movies to be shared. Oh, now here's a fun situation we find ourselves in. The movie company themselves openly encourage people to share the movie. Now people are sharing the movie. Are you going to pay for the movie as well, to encourage them to make more movies so that they can continue their share the movie practice? Hm...