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> What annoys me, is when companies expect _you_ to be loyal, when they would get rid of you in a heartbeat. Reality is that neither has to be loyal. Employee

> What annoys me, is when companies expect _you_ to be loyal, when they would get rid of you in a heartbeat. Reality is that neither has to be loyal. Employees leave all the time for better pay/perks etc. You are judging employers too harshly in this respect.

JR1427 2y ago
Yes, I know that neither has to be loyal. But I know of examples where a manager has said things like "you need to decide if you are loyal to the company" etc. I really dislike this.
- lotsofpulp 2y ago
  People lie all the time. For marketing, to be polite, for worse reasons. It’s in everyone’s best interest to stay on their toes and evaluate others’ motivations before accepting words at face value.
- amanaplanacanal 2y ago
  I would want to ask the manager how the company is going to be loyal to me. I’m curious what they would say.
  - cpach 2y ago
    Indeed. And how would the manager make a guarantee for it?
- JohnFen 2y ago
  If a manager ever said that to me, I'd immediately start planning my exit. I don't want to work for anyone who engages in that level of emotional manipulation.
harimau777 2y ago
A complicating factor is that it is much easier for corporations to punish employees for being disloyal than for employees to punish corporations for disloyalty. I.e. if your resume shows too much job hopping then that can hurt your ability to get a new job. However, a corporation is not nearly a badly hurt by repeatedly overhiring and laying off employees.
- cpach 2y ago
  We can safely conclude that there is a bit of power asymmetry going on.
  - rekabis 2y ago
    > there is a bit of power asymmetry going on. Which only unions have the power to equalize.
    - cpach 2y ago
      IMHO, dampen might be a more suitable verb. Unions are not a panacea to all issues an employee can face. And sometimes the union will put its own interests first, or the company’s, before the interests of the individual employee. But on the whole, unions can play a useful role on the market of labor.

JR1427 2y ago

Yes, I know that neither has to be loyal. But I know of examples where a manager has said things like "you need to decide if you are loyal to the company" etc. I really dislike this.

lotsofpulp 2y ago
People lie all the time. For marketing, to be polite, for worse reasons. It’s in everyone’s best interest to stay on their toes and evaluate others’ motivations before accepting words at face value.
amanaplanacanal 2y ago
I would want to ask the manager how the company is going to be loyal to me. I’m curious what they would say.
- cpach 2y ago
  Indeed. And how would the manager make a guarantee for it?
JohnFen 2y ago
If a manager ever said that to me, I'd immediately start planning my exit. I don't want to work for anyone who engages in that level of emotional manipulation.

harimau777 2y ago

A complicating factor is that it is much easier for corporations to punish employees for being disloyal than for employees to punish corporations for disloyalty. I.e. if your resume shows too much job hopping then that can hurt your ability to get a new job. However, a corporation is not nearly a badly hurt by repeatedly overhiring and laying off employees.

cpach 2y ago
We can safely conclude that there is a bit of power asymmetry going on.
- rekabis 2y ago
  > there is a bit of power asymmetry going on. Which only unions have the power to equalize.
  - cpach 2y ago
    IMHO, dampen might be a more suitable verb. Unions are not a panacea to all issues an employee can face. And sometimes the union will put its own interests first, or the company’s, before the interests of the individual employee. But on the whole, unions can play a useful role on the market of labor.