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"The nightmare scenario for Nokia is that the one I [the author] described here back in January: that there really isn't room, in reality, for a "third ecosyste

"The nightmare scenario for Nokia is that the one I [the author] described here back in January: that there really isn't room, in reality, for a "third ecosystem". In this scenario there's Apple and Android, leaving RIM and Nokia fighting for crumbs. Today, the health of WP as an "ecosystem" isn't obvious: Samsung, Dell, LG and HTC all seem to have given up. Only Nokia makes a noise."

hef19898 14y ago
depends what kind of impact win8 has on the tablet market. seems like android is kind of weak here compared to iOS. If Win8 gets a big enough chunk of that and if WP8 is more or less compatible with win8 on an app level win8 powered tablets could pull windows phones along enough to get reasonable market share. Microsoft certainly has the reasources and cash to at least try that. As far as RIM is concerned, I see their future as kind of bleak...
- technoslut 14y ago
  Leveraging tablets to increase WP sales is the best path for MS to take but they are playing a dangerous game. Windows 8 on the desktop will be a serious adjustment for consumers and very early reviews seem to indicate that. The perception of Windows 8 on the desktop could adversely affect WOA.
  - hef19898 14y ago
    Sure it's a gamble, and a risky one for that. But continuing business as usual is IMO even riskier. Possible that Win8 could face the same fate on desktops like Vista did. How that wuld effect customer perception of Win8 on tablets, well good question. the main benefit I see in Win8-tablets is that you finally get a real computer for the price of a real computer and not an oversized smartphone you can't use to make phone calls for the price oy a computer. But that's just my opinion.
inoop 14y ago
Windows Phone is not something that stands on its own, Microsoft is building a powerful ecosystem comprising a desktop OS (win8), tablet os (win8), smartphone os (wp8/apollo), gaming platform (xbox), and tying it all together with a cloud infrastructure (skydrive, hotmail, bing, bing maps, etc.). Of course, the desktop/tablet OS and smartphone OS are going to be merged in the long run and it's possible (probable?) that eventually phones will even be able to run the full metro desktop when inserted into a dock, to act as a cheap computer replacement. Of course, Apple has had this for years, but I think that WP holds some pretty good cards for the long run ...
- tsunamifury 14y ago
  Windows 8 Phone has nothing to do with Windows 8 Tablet. You have to build from scratch for each. How in the world is that an 'integrated ecosystem'. I've been to the developers conferences and tried to build products for their launch devices. There is no grand plan, word on important issues come down the pipeline in real time, are later taken back or only addressed when a developers brings up a serious issue. At close range, it often appears as if the Windows 8 team has no idea what they are doing, and actually two silo'd communities of Mobile and desktop.
  - excuse-me 14y ago
    >How in the world is that an 'integrated ecosystem'. It is to the marketing dept. Suppose you are a huge and stupid corporate or government customer. Your users want to have smartphones. A MSFT rep convinces you that using Windows is the safe and reliable choice and with Windows 8 you have the same OS 'brand' on your desktop. The same argument has kept IBM's mainframe salesmen in new cadilacs for decades.

hef19898 14y ago

depends what kind of impact win8 has on the tablet market. seems like android is kind of weak here compared to iOS. If Win8 gets a big enough chunk of that and if WP8 is more or less compatible with win8 on an app level win8 powered tablets could pull windows phones along enough to get reasonable market share. Microsoft certainly has the reasources and cash to at least try that. As far as RIM is concerned, I see their future as kind of bleak...

technoslut 14y ago
Leveraging tablets to increase WP sales is the best path for MS to take but they are playing a dangerous game. Windows 8 on the desktop will be a serious adjustment for consumers and very early reviews seem to indicate that. The perception of Windows 8 on the desktop could adversely affect WOA.
- hef19898 14y ago
  Sure it's a gamble, and a risky one for that. But continuing business as usual is IMO even riskier. Possible that Win8 could face the same fate on desktops like Vista did. How that wuld effect customer perception of Win8 on tablets, well good question. the main benefit I see in Win8-tablets is that you finally get a real computer for the price of a real computer and not an oversized smartphone you can't use to make phone calls for the price oy a computer. But that's just my opinion.

inoop 14y ago

Windows Phone is not something that stands on its own, Microsoft is building a powerful ecosystem comprising a desktop OS (win8), tablet os (win8), smartphone os (wp8/apollo), gaming platform (xbox), and tying it all together with a cloud infrastructure (skydrive, hotmail, bing, bing maps, etc.). Of course, the desktop/tablet OS and smartphone OS are going to be merged in the long run and it's possible (probable?) that eventually phones will even be able to run the full metro desktop when inserted into a dock, to act as a cheap computer replacement. Of course, Apple has had this for years, but I think that WP holds some pretty good cards for the long run ...

tsunamifury 14y ago
Windows 8 Phone has nothing to do with Windows 8 Tablet. You have to build from scratch for each. How in the world is that an 'integrated ecosystem'. I've been to the developers conferences and tried to build products for their launch devices. There is no grand plan, word on important issues come down the pipeline in real time, are later taken back or only addressed when a developers brings up a serious issue. At close range, it often appears as if the Windows 8 team has no idea what they are doing, and actually two silo'd communities of Mobile and desktop.
- excuse-me 14y ago
  >How in the world is that an 'integrated ecosystem'. It is to the marketing dept. Suppose you are a huge and stupid corporate or government customer. Your users want to have smartphones. A MSFT rep convinces you that using Windows is the safe and reliable choice and with Windows 8 you have the same OS 'brand' on your desktop. The same argument has kept IBM's mainframe salesmen in new cadilacs for decades.