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Hi thanks for taking part! I have probably very silly questions but why? What are the use cases you Invision? Last but not least, an IRC server/channel in lie

Hi thanks for taking part! I have probably very silly questions but why? What are the use cases you Invision? Last but not least, an IRC server/channel in lieu of discord? I'm stuck in my ways! Nice work too, I hope this doesn't come across as flippant. EDIT: Side note, I opened vi and escape is.. well maybe a browser issue but 'cant exit vi' .. Never thought id say that again

jgraham20 2y ago
May it is a browser issue. I was able to exit with ':q<Enter>'
- bilekas 2y ago
  Right, I can go to insert mode, but to leave is, tricky. I found going to replace mode and escape worked in FF. I'm sure its a browser issue, I also have vimium so probably a nightmare of hooks!
  - eonpi 2y ago
    Have you tried with <Control-Left Square Bracket>? aka Ctrl-[, or ^[, as seen sometimes in the terminal. This works for me in most terminals as an alternative to Escape when using vi/vim.
- kuekacang 2y ago
  In mobile (at least in mine, firefox) the input become buferred autocomplete and when accepted via return, the typed word gets duplicated before entered. Workaround is to accept via space and delete as necessary
zja 2y ago
Answer to the second question is that no one uses IRC. The trend of using discord over forums does suck though, it’s really hard to search old discussions.
- bilekas 2y ago
  I use IRC.. Discord is fine, I just prefer to have both.
  - malux85 2y ago
    What are some good places for a technical / programming hangouts on IRC? Can you point me at some materials please?
    - Carrok 2y ago
      https://libera.chat/ https://libera.chat/ A channel listing will give you _many_ results.
      - pests 2y ago
        I remember back in the day I wouldn't even check the listings, just joining whatever #topic or #hobby or #software and finding it filled with people almost always.
    - gwd 2y ago
      Also see https://oftc.net/ https://oftc.net/, where a bunch of older-school development projects hang out. (That's where the Xen Project moved to after freenode imploded, before eventually switching to Matrix.)
- djbusby 2y ago
  Another option is a community hosted Mattermost (it's like Discord/Slack/IRC). It's pretty easy to run, all the chat are in PostgreSQL so it's "easy" to produce archive logs (like IRC has). Or do any other magic.
- edm0nd 2y ago
  IRC still has 270k users in 2024 via https://netsplit.de/ https://netsplit.de/ It's not like it used to be in the 90s but that's still something.
airtonix 2y ago
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_xivi 2y ago
> What are the use cases you Invision? Not OP, but they said the following in an answer to similar question: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40940707 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40940707 "The technology is extremely flexibile, off the top of my head: * Education (Linux, Programming, Security, ...) * Live docs for arbitrary languages and binary libraries * Preservation of historical software and games * Virtualization of legacy Windows enterprise apps. * Dev environment for Web IDEs Just a few examples, the list could go on for long"
gwd 2y ago
> Last but not least, an IRC server/channel in lieu of discord? I'm stuck in my ways! IRC is nice for people who use it, but it has a huuuuge barrier to entry for new users. The very first thing you have to do is choose a client out of a list of 100 clients, half of which haven't been maintained since 2003. Then you need to set up a bouncer somewhere so that you can see messages that were posted when you were away. Those two things will filter out 99.99% of new people. Or, you could use Discord (or Matrix); people sign up for an account and that's it. Our open-source project switched from IRC to Matrix (after having been on IRC for over a decade before that), and got a noticeable uptick in engagement. Unfortunately, Matrix still has some long-standing UI quirks, which would make me reluctant to use it in a context where I want people to pay me money; particularly if some of those are non-technical users.
- jankovicsandras 2y ago
  "huuuuge barrier to entry for new users" 1. go to https://web.libera.chat/ https://web.libera.chat/ 2. click Start (as a Guest account)
  - gwd 2y ago
    3. Discover you can't join a lot of channels because you're not registered; or worse, that your messages sent to the channel are silently discarded And you still have the problem that if you're in the wrong time zone and happen to close the window, you may miss responses. There are advantages to having high barriers to entry for a community; Ham radio is essentially a global chat room with an entrance exam, for instance. But there are costs too.
    - jankovicsandras 2y ago
      Your point 3. is true generally, but - as I understand - parent wanted to operate a customer support channel and dismissed IRC. In this case: just don't lock your channel for Guests. Timezones affect other platforms, but an IRC bot might help customers when admins sleep. But I'm not sure IRC is best for this use case (e.g. forums, wiki are probably better), but "high barrier of entry" is arguable.

jgraham20 2y ago

May it is a browser issue. I was able to exit with ':q<Enter>'

bilekas 2y ago
Right, I can go to insert mode, but to leave is, tricky. I found going to replace mode and escape worked in FF. I'm sure its a browser issue, I also have vimium so probably a nightmare of hooks!
- eonpi 2y ago
  Have you tried with <Control-Left Square Bracket>? aka Ctrl-[, or ^[, as seen sometimes in the terminal. This works for me in most terminals as an alternative to Escape when using vi/vim.
kuekacang 2y ago
In mobile (at least in mine, firefox) the input become buferred autocomplete and when accepted via return, the typed word gets duplicated before entered. Workaround is to accept via space and delete as necessary

zja 2y ago

Answer to the second question is that no one uses IRC. The trend of using discord over forums does suck though, it’s really hard to search old discussions.

bilekas 2y ago
I use IRC.. Discord is fine, I just prefer to have both.
- malux85 2y ago
  What are some good places for a technical / programming hangouts on IRC? Can you point me at some materials please?
  - Carrok 2y ago
    https://libera.chat/ https://libera.chat/ A channel listing will give you _many_ results.
    - pests 2y ago
      I remember back in the day I wouldn't even check the listings, just joining whatever #topic or #hobby or #software and finding it filled with people almost always.
  - gwd 2y ago
    Also see https://oftc.net/ https://oftc.net/, where a bunch of older-school development projects hang out. (That's where the Xen Project moved to after freenode imploded, before eventually switching to Matrix.)
djbusby 2y ago
Another option is a community hosted Mattermost (it's like Discord/Slack/IRC). It's pretty easy to run, all the chat are in PostgreSQL so it's "easy" to produce archive logs (like IRC has). Or do any other magic.
edm0nd 2y ago
IRC still has 270k users in 2024 via https://netsplit.de/ https://netsplit.de/ It's not like it used to be in the 90s but that's still something.

airtonix 2y ago

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_xivi 2y ago

> What are the use cases you Invision? Not OP, but they said the following in an answer to similar question: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40940707 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=40940707 "The technology is extremely flexibile, off the top of my head: * Education (Linux, Programming, Security, ...) * Live docs for arbitrary languages and binary libraries * Preservation of historical software and games * Virtualization of legacy Windows enterprise apps. * Dev environment for Web IDEs Just a few examples, the list could go on for long"

gwd 2y ago

> Last but not least, an IRC server/channel in lieu of discord? I'm stuck in my ways! IRC is nice for people who use it, but it has a huuuuge barrier to entry for new users. The very first thing you have to do is choose a client out of a list of 100 clients, half of which haven't been maintained since 2003. Then you need to set up a bouncer somewhere so that you can see messages that were posted when you were away. Those two things will filter out 99.99% of new people. Or, you could use Discord (or Matrix); people sign up for an account and that's it. Our open-source project switched from IRC to Matrix (after having been on IRC for over a decade before that), and got a noticeable uptick in engagement. Unfortunately, Matrix still has some long-standing UI quirks, which would make me reluctant to use it in a context where I want people to pay me money; particularly if some of those are non-technical users.

jankovicsandras 2y ago
"huuuuge barrier to entry for new users" 1. go to https://web.libera.chat/ https://web.libera.chat/ 2. click Start (as a Guest account)
- gwd 2y ago
  3. Discover you can't join a lot of channels because you're not registered; or worse, that your messages sent to the channel are silently discarded And you still have the problem that if you're in the wrong time zone and happen to close the window, you may miss responses. There are advantages to having high barriers to entry for a community; Ham radio is essentially a global chat room with an entrance exam, for instance. But there are costs too.
  - jankovicsandras 2y ago
    Your point 3. is true generally, but - as I understand - parent wanted to operate a customer support channel and dismissed IRC. In this case: just don't lock your channel for Guests. Timezones affect other platforms, but an IRC bot might help customers when admins sleep. But I'm not sure IRC is best for this use case (e.g. forums, wiki are probably better), but "high barrier of entry" is arguable.